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Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 09:25 PM

Walls to tall
 
Building a new home see my post in project showcase. Margasketerville. It's a post frame slab home (pole building) We hired a crew to build a shell and now it's about time for us to come in and do internal framing. Long story short the 9 foot ceiling's are about 1.5 inches to tall? I have yet to talk to the builder about this as they have been off for a few days. I know we won't be lowering the trusses or raising the floor.
Thoughts on the best way to go from here. Framing and sheetrock. Thanks

PS, I totally blame myself (I am an inspector (of metal stampings) So I should of caught this. But I trusted these guys who have built many many homes.

Two Knots 01-21-2019 09:45 PM

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Do you mean that the ceilings are 10 1/2 tall?

Windows on Wash 01-21-2019 09:46 PM

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Where does it make a difference in this case?

Nealtw 01-21-2019 09:52 PM

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Add an extra plate at the bottom of the wall.

Nealtw 01-21-2019 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Windows on Wash (Post 5747075)
Where does it make a difference in this case?

Pre cut studs, the wall won't reach the ceiling.:wink2:

Windows on Wash 01-21-2019 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nealtw (Post 5747081)
Pre cut studs, the wall won't reach the ceiling.:wink2:

Ah ha. Wasn’t aware of the pre fab aspect. I’d just add a 2x4 to the top or bottom as you said.

Nealtw 01-21-2019 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Windows on Wash (Post 5747087)
Ah ha. Wasnt aware of the pre fab aspect. Id just add a 2x4 to the top or bottom as you said.

Inspector don't like the 3rd on top but the extra one on the bottom never seems to raise eyebrows.

Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Knots (Post 5747071)
Do you mean that the ceilings are 10 1/2 tall?

Ceiling is 9' 1 1/2"

Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Windows on Wash (Post 5747075)
Where does it make a difference in this case?

My biggest issue was the plan for 4.5' sheetrock to cover the wall. Now I have an extra 1.5 inches to cover (I can do it with baseboard) Just wanted your thoughts.

Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nealtw (Post 5747079)
Add an extra plate at the bottom of the wall.

Right now thats my plan. sheetrock wont quite reach the floor though.:wink2:

Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 10:14 PM

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This doesnt sound so uncommon??

Two Knots 01-21-2019 10:24 PM

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so its just 1 1/2 over the 9 foot, right? All my kids have 9 foot ceilings
in their homes. I love the taller ceilings. To me 1 1/2 higher is no
big deal. I would like it, as a matter of fact. :thumbsup:

Nealtw 01-21-2019 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan n Deb (Post 5747111)
Right now thats my plan. sheetrock wont quite reach the floor though.:wink2:

Just add 1/2" plywood strips at the bottom. trim will hide it. If you use drywall you will be tempted to fill and tape it. :surprise:

Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Knots (Post 5747121)
so its just 1 1/2 over the 9 foot, right? All my kids have 9 foot ceilings
in their homes. I love the taller ceilings. To me 1 1/2 higher is no
big deal. I would like it, as a matter of fact. :thumbsup:

Right, and nobody will know about the 1.5 inches. As stated above I will have about 1.5 inches not covered by sheetrock at the bottom of the wall.

Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nealtw (Post 5747125)
Just add 1/2" plywood strips at the bottom. trim will hide it. If you use drywall you will be tempted to fill and tape it. :surprise:

I like that idea!

Bud9051 01-21-2019 10:37 PM

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If the floor to ceiling without drywall is 9' 1.5" you are not that far off. Ceiling drywall goes up first so that takes up 1/2". Then you don't set the drywall on the floor, up 1/2" would be common. That leaves the bottom of your drywall still backed by 1/2" of bottom plate.

If you don't like the gap, install a piece of something to fill it after the drywall is up.

Bud

Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nealtw (Post 5747093)
Inspector don't like the 3rd on top but the extra one on the bottom never seems to raise eyebrows.

Only planned on 1 top and 1 bottom. I pretty much have to add to the bottom or there will be no place to attach the bottom of the sheetrock.

Two Knots 01-21-2019 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan n Deb (Post 5747127)
Right, and nobody will know about the 1.5 inches. As stated above I will have about 1.5 inches not covered by sheetrock at the bottom of the wall.

I would say that the builder has to add a 1 1/2 strip of Sheetrock
and sparkle and tape as well. Seems to me its his problem, not yours.
This will be covered with floor molding anyhow.

Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Knots (Post 5747145)
I would say that the builder has to add a 1 1/2 strip of Sheetrock
and sparkle and tape as well. Seems to me its his problem, not yours.
This will be covered with floor molding anyhow.

I am the builder, I hired a crew to put up a shell. My problem.:crying:

Two Knots 01-21-2019 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan n Deb (Post 5747155)
I am the builder, I hired a crew to put up a shell. My problem.:crying:

Oh, no matter, you still need to Sheetrock, tape and sparkle the bottom
before adding the molding.

Nealtw 01-21-2019 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan n Deb (Post 5747143)
Only planned on 1 top and 1 bottom. I pretty much have to add to the bottom or there will be no place to attach the bottom of the sheetrock.

OK, confused me, the normal is 2 plates on top
and you have 104 1/4 + 4 1/2 wall at 108 3/4 in Canada
or 104 5/8 + 4 1/2 wall is 109 1/8


5/8 ceiling goes up first leaving 1/4" in Canada. and nothing in the US

Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nealtw (Post 5747163)
OK, confused me, the normal is 2 plates on top
and you have 104 1/4 + 4 1/2 wall at 108 3/4 in Canada
or 104 5/8 + 4 1/2 wall is 109 1/8


5/8 ceiling goes up first leaving 1/4" in Canada. and nothing in the US

I could be wrong but because the walls are not supporting anything I only need one top plate. Also doing 1/2 ceiling rock. I could do 5/8 I guess but an eighth wont make or break this.

Nealtw 01-21-2019 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan n Deb (Post 5747181)
I could be wrong but because the walls are not supporting anything I only need one top plate. Also doing 1/2 ceiling rock.

You want to top plates so the top plate can be lapped where they meet and lock together, You are not supposed to nail them to the trusses just some little clips, the walls need all the help they can get.
All lumber has a crown or bend to it so the top 2 plates are crown opposite to each other and straightened with sucker nails to make the wall straight.

fire rated dry wall should be in your code and it is 5/8 for ceilings

Nealtw 01-21-2019 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan n Deb (Post 5747181)
I could be wrong but because the walls are not supporting anything I only need one top plate. Also doing 1/2 ceiling rock. I could do 5/8 I guess but an eighth wont make or break this.

We only do two top plates in basement when we need them for height because everything can be nailed solid to the joists above. We are taking about years of fixing cracks and looking a warped walls. What you need and what you want are two different things.
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Bryan n Deb 01-21-2019 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nealtw (Post 5747195)
You want to top plates so the top plate can be lapped where they meet and lock together, You are not supposed to nail them to the trusses just some little clips, the walls need all the help they can get.
All lumber has a crown or bend to it so the top 2 plates are crown opposite to each other and straightened with sucker nails to make the wall straight.

fire rated dry wall should be in your code and it is 5/8 for ceilings

My inlaws just had a house built and 5/8 rock was on the print. Found out later 1/2 was used but building inspector says its fine. Ill make a phone call on that one.

LawnGuyLandSparky 01-22-2019 01:37 AM

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Just use 10' sheetrock cut to size.

Domo 01-22-2019 01:47 AM

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Nail a 1-1/2" nailer for the ceiling sheetrock around the entire perimeter - you need something to nail to anyway. Then frame to 9' for all interior walls.

No big deal - that's the type of task that goes to the new guy. Better yet - have that framing crew do it on their dime.

Bryan n Deb 01-22-2019 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky (Post 5747261)
Just use 10' sheetrock cut to size.

Thought about that but then id have a vertical seam floor to ceiling every 4 feet.
Id rather lay it down and have 1 seam all the way around the room.

Bryan n Deb 01-22-2019 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Domo (Post 5747263)
Nail a 1-1/2" nailer for the ceiling sheetrock around the entire perimeter - you need something to nail to anyway. Then frame to 9' for all interior walls.

No big deal - that's the type of task that goes to the new guy. Better yet - have that framing crew do it on their dime.

Wouldnt you have to put nailers up on at least 4' centers all across the rooms?

ClarenceBauer 01-22-2019 07:57 AM

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Maybe you need to think about switching to metal studs cut to your required lengths & order 54 inch wide Gypsum Board. Use fire rated deflection track @ the top & cold rolled channel for bridging.

Bryan n Deb 01-22-2019 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ClarenceBauer (Post 5747361)
Maybe you need to think about switching to metal studs cut to your required lengths & order 54 inch wide Gypsum Board. Use fire rated deflection track @ the top & cold rolled channel for bridging.

Length of studs is not my main concern. I could return my pre cuts and get longer lumber (more $$)

Spyder 01-22-2019 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan n Deb (Post 5747397)
Length of studs is not my main concern. I could return my pre cuts and get longer lumber (more $$)

its 1.5", just add another plate and you'll be fine with teh lumber you have.

For the sheetrock, just cut a strip 1.5" out of 3/8 rock, put it in the middle of the wall and it will meet with the tapers.

Domo 01-22-2019 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan n Deb (Post 5747329)
Wouldnt you have to put nailers up on at least 4' centers all across the rooms?

Frame the interior walls 9' tall and (as always) cap them with a 2x6 or other scrap that overextends to provide a nailer for the ceiling sheetrock.

The nailer/backer I referenced would only go on the perimeter frame members that are 1-1/2" too high.

What you described will actually work out fine. The sheetrock needs backing so you can hang it to the ceiling. Therefore, all the walls seems correct - just too bad they didn't use 2x6 as an upper plate on the outside walls - if they had, you're nailers for the ceiling would already be in place and you wouldn't be confused by the difference in height.

If you don't put the nailers in, what do you nail the ceiling to if its a pole barn without trusses (which is what I'm understanding).

It's just wood - it's easy...

sixeightten 01-22-2019 06:19 PM

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Your framers used precut studs, which is likely what the print called for. If the ceiling was framed to exactly 9', every bottom board of drywall would need cut. 5/8 is usually put on ceilings where trusses are 24" o.c.

195795 01-22-2019 07:52 PM

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Go with Neal's plywood idea then you can shoot that trim "anywhere" instead of having to hit the studs


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