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Old 03-12-2019, 08:20 PM   #16
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So you are a structural engineer and looking to provide cut rate engineering here? Really? I might question that because a structural engineer knows exactly how much time REALLY goes into a design. People seem to think we just "whip up a plan".... Rarely is that the case.
I always love the "just stamp my plans"..... It just don't work that way there is serious lifetime liability that comes with stamping anything. You can compare that stamp directly with M.D. credentials. You're literally betting your life on it and we take it pretty serious! For that reason, I (am most others) will refuse to cut corners in order to satisfy someone's budget. You might think engineers are expensive but have you ever gone after your attorney? Those are the real crooks and they know it. It is not enough to bill at $250/hr the second they pick up the phone, they also over bill. I have seen a 12min phone call billed for 1hr....

Being in the biz, I can say most people just do not understand how things get "engineered" in the first place so they cannot understand the fees or the liability.
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So you are a structural engineer and looking to provide cut rate engineering here? Really? I might question that because a structural engineer knows exactly how much time REALLY goes into a design. People seem to think we just "whip up a plan".... Rarely is that the case.
I always love the "just stamp my plans"..... It just don't work that way there is serious lifetime liability that comes with stamping anything. You can compare that stamp directly with M.D. credentials. You're literally betting your life on it and we take it pretty serious! For that reason, I (am most others) will refuse to cut corners in order to satisfy someone's budget. You might think engineers are expensive but have you ever gone after your attorney? Those are the real crooks and they know it. It is not enough to bill at $250/hr the second they pick up the phone, they also over bill. I have seen a 12min phone call billed for 1hr....

Being in the biz, I can say most people just do not understand how things get "engineered" in the first place so they cannot understand the fees or the liability.
They can understand the fees they get charged... on this platform we could charge $20 and if they went for local help they'd be charged $200
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:41 PM   #18
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To each their own but I remain confident that I won't make a repair or modification recommendation without seeing the site first hand. I cannot in good faith recommend something without having all the facts and people seem to leave things out that are critical, like "oh, I think there might be a cave just below my house"......

I might also question what kind of quality you might provide for $20? I am just not one to provide half ass engineering.
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To each their own but I remain confident that I won't make a repair or modification recommendation without seeing the site first hand. I cannot in good faith recommend something without having all the facts and people seem to leave things out that are critical, like "oh, I think there might be a cave just below my house"......

I might also question what kind of quality you might provide for $20? I am just not one to provide half ass engineering.
You can never be too thorough. When someone says...

I want to put 40 sheets of plywood in my attic... he could actually mean he wants to put a tank in his attic and therefore... maybe it should be designed for that.? maybe?
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You can never be too thorough. When someone says...

I want to put 40 sheets of plywood in my attic... he could actually mean he wants to put a tank in his attic and therefore... maybe it should be designed for that.? maybe?
Exactly. This is why important questions need to be asked and answered. It takes time to get it right. A fast 5 minute engineering response may seem well intentioned.....right up until the failure point.
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The back-and-forth on this thread has been around the profession of engineering. Replace "engineering" with "medical" and how many think the model is a good idea? A collection of pros and amateurs proffering $20 advice based written submissions.
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The back-and-forth on this thread has been around the profession of engineering. Replace "engineering" with "medical" and how many think the model is a good idea? A collection of pros and amateurs proffering $20 advice based written submissions.
Exactly! I cannot even muster a response to half the questions here because I need a LOT more information. Uh, what about that hot tub on the 2nd floor.....Oh crap, forgot about that little detail......

There is no P.E. that is going to sign up for such a silly thing. We need a LOT of data to provide an accurate and safe plan of action.

I hate that people just cannot understand the insistence of getting a local engineer on a site. They will continue to take advice from a roofer about their deck build because they can't be bothered to spend $200. And the response is usually the same......"its been X years since I built it and it hasn't fallen down yet"..... That makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:30 PM   #23
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Oh, I just wanted to point out that we are currently reviewing a building standard issued by our county from many years back for pole barns. Basically if you follow their guidelines, you don't need stamped drawings.

We determined that the uplift provisions within that standard are completely inadequate, and nearly every builder around is building them this way because they don't need an engineer for them. I confronted one about it and he was rather defensive. I really don't care who wrote what and when but what I do know is all these buildings have a high probability of failure in a 100MPH wind. I won't stake my reputation on that cheese design method when a mere $50 of bagged concrete will fix the problem.....
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I if directly pay, or indirectly pay, anyone for advice and my property/self become damaged as a result of following that advice, I'll be coming after you with a legal team.

Withholding advice pending payment, or acceptance of payment for advice both imply a contractractual agreement - service for value.

If the paid service is improper and fails or causes bodily injury it seems clear that the advisor owns much of the responsibility for the harm. Further, many of the good people on these forums are licensed professionals that could find themselves in danger of violating their license by practicing out of their legal jurisdiction.

So, if the intent to is strictly connect a forum visitor to a local professional - yes advertising can be s source of revenue. However, IMO if you're talking about directly charging to advice "over the phone" for money - I'd be very cautious.

And, yes - "Bait Click" titles, such as the one you used can entrap visitors, as you undoubtedly have done, thus abusing the intent and use of the forum, creating distraction, anger and possibly disgust among the kind souls that do wish to help others rather read "another" wannabe get rich scheme.

Perhaps I completely misread your intent...
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Should I pay for advice for this?

I've read enough on this forum to know 2 things...

1) owners have enough ads on this page to kill a cow. Have you ever heard of... too much is sometimes too much?

2) lots of knowledgeable people on this forum and I think it's about time you (admins) take our knowledge and create a forum where we get paid for our feedback. Just to put into perspective... I make almost $100 dollars on 300 visitors... you make about 10 cents on 300 visitors... wanna talk?
I do not see one ad on these pages.
Perhaps you need a computer consultant?
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:14 PM   #26
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I'll second the two wise folks who spoke about legal indemnity; no way I'd give any suggestions or advice without it. I guess the long and short of it is that I'd never post here again if it went paid - not because I wouln't pay for the service, but because I'd never put myself (and my kids inheritance) on the line just to try to help some folks on the internet...
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:14 AM   #27
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Regular posters do get paid in a sense. They get rewards points that can be redeemed for gift cards.
They do? I had no idea... no wonder Nealtw posts so much..
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They do? I had no idea... no wonder Nealtw posts so much..
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Well, you are Canadian.

Anyway, I suspect the reason advice isn't paid here is a liability issue. I'm sure the site owners don't want to have to vet everyone giving advice. Nor do they want the liability if the advice turns out to be wrong.
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If this site went to a pay model, you would lose me.

I am not going to pay to read and learn from another guy's problem in his bathroom. If I have a structural issue at my place, I will hire somebody with a license, and liability insurance. And I am not going to accept potential liability for taking nickel and dime payments for construction, or other, advice.
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