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Old 06-10-2020, 08:38 PM   #46
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If you want "pretty" then you're going to have to put in time and money. There's no way around that unfortunately.



Only other thing I can think of (while staying away from installation on the brick wall side) is something like these - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0090NAPS0...NsaWNrPXRydWU= Which have some height adjust-ability (so you can clear the bottom angle wall bit) however, I'm not sure if they get tall/high enough for your situation.
Again, not really all that concerned with aesthetics, it's just that particular style I find extremely ugly. I'm looking at all kinds of wood, aluminum, and steel options of various styles. I just keep getting stuck on the anchorage issues.

I'll have to see if i can find some brackets like that which have height adjustment. That one you linked only has 1 anchor per bracket, and I've always had issues with that type coming loose even in wood or brick.

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Nooo, but I guess ignorance is your cup of tea.
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Nooo, but I guess ignorance is your cup of tea.
So now it's "ignorant" to dislike the style of something? Or is it "ignorant" to follow mandatory ada guidelines in order for the city to issue me a rental license? So which is going to be the excuse for your ill-conceived comment?

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So now it's "ignorant" to dislike the style of something? Or is it "ignorant" to follow mandatory ada guidelines in order for the city to issue me a rental license? So which is going to be the excuse for your ill-conceived comment?

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Don't play dumb, you know exactly how ignorant you are and was toward someone who was only trying to help.

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I'm not sure if that meets ADA requirements, which I'm tied to here. Maybe it does. But it is also extremely hideous lol...no offense. I'm not really all that concerned with aesthetics, but that one is just rough. Functionally, yes, I would imagine that would work great.""

""Again, not really all that concerned with aesthetics, it's just that particular style I find extremely ugly. I'm looking at all kinds of wood, aluminum, and steel options of various styles. I just keep getting stuck on the anchorage issues.""


Again, did your Mom teach you that or does it just come from your brain naturally.
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Don't play dumb, you know exactly how ignorant you are and was toward someone who was only trying to help.



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I'm not sure if that meets ADA requirements, which I'm tied to here. Maybe it does. But it is also extremely hideous lol...no offense. I'm not really all that concerned with aesthetics, but that one is just rough. Functionally, yes, I would imagine that would work great.""



""Again, not really all that concerned with aesthetics, it's just that particular style I find extremely ugly. I'm looking at all kinds of wood, aluminum, and steel options of various styles. I just keep getting stuck on the anchorage issues.""





Again, did your Mom teach you that or does it just come from your brain naturally.
There was nothing ignorant about that at all. In fact, i even preempted any resentful response by saying "no offense". I don't know why you're so goddamn butthurt over this. It wasn't even your post i was responding to! Maybe find something constructive to do instead of jumping into random threads and being a dick?

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There was nothing ignorant about that at all. In fact, i even preempted any resentful response by saying "no offense". I don't know why you're so goddamn butthurt over this. It wasn't even your post i was responding to! Maybe find something constructive to do instead of jumping into random threads and being a dick?

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And you are still proving the point.
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@rfehr613 I think his point is that you had specifically indicated that you didn't care how it looked. The solution I gave you was easy, quick, and addressed your particular challenges. Then you turned around and decided that appearances DID matter quite a bit, even while you continue to say the looks don't matter. Clearly they do.

That's fine and all, but doing so also changes the suggestions that you'll receive "quite a bit." If you're only wanting a "specific" style or look, then you need to put that forward is all - or at a minimum, just keep the "hideous" and so forth stuff to yourself and just admit that looks matter or matching the style matters, or idk something like that.

While I'm not particularly offended, I personally don't consider it "horrendous" - it's kind of a modern or maybe mission-esk style that some folks do like. In any event, as you might have noticed, some folk are offended by the, shall we say, "excessively dismissive and strong language" you responded with, despite saying looks don't matter. Ultimately it just kinda comes off as "rude" or "inconsiderate" to others is all - and a lot of folks aren't going to bite their tongue on it, especially not on a free advice site.

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Moving on though, it sounds like you're coming around to your particular's a bit better now so hopefully folks can give you better tailored advice to help ya out. Let's see if we can nail it down a bit more

How do you feel about something like these variations of the same kind of 2x10 idea:



http://en.woodtec.co.jp/cms/wp-conte...e-handrail.jpg



Or perhaps a more "modern" interpretation by just changing the wood dimensions (aka instead of a 2x10, how about a 4x4):




Any skill with woodworking? (jig saw, router, sanding, etc)? You could do a pigs ear:




Or kinda along the lines of the first pic in this post, you could just use a router to round over the entire top of a flat board and add in some flutes to make your own design (for a modern flair.)

OR are you dead set on a round or traditionally shaped handrail?

How about a "base panel" with a more traditional railing attached to the top of it, something like this:




Also as a note, you might have to deploy some "easing" to change the level of the rail at your angled wall. Here's some good examples of what I'm talking about with "easing" - I'm fairly certain it meets code of "continuous" for ADA, though you might want to check and make sure:



http://sensationalstairs.com/wp/wp-c...2015/05/U1.jpg
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@rfehr613 I think his point is that you had specifically indicated that you didn't care how it looked. The solution I gave you was easy, quick, and addressed your particular challenges. Then you turned around and decided that appearances DID matter quite a bit, even while you continue to say the looks don't matter. Clearly they do.



That's fine and all, but doing so also changes the suggestions that you'll receive "quite a bit." If you're only wanting a "specific" style or look, then you need to put that forward is all - or at a minimum, just keep the "hideous" and so forth stuff to yourself and just admit that looks matter or matching the style matters, or idk something like that.



While I'm not particularly offended, I personally don't consider it "horrendous" - it's kind of a modern or maybe mission-esk style that some folks do like. In any event, as you might have noticed, some folk are offended by the, shall we say, "excessively dismissive and strong language" you responded with, despite saying looks don't matter. Ultimately it just kinda comes off as "rude" or "inconsiderate" to others is all - and a lot of folks aren't going to bite their tongue on it, especially not on a free advice site.



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Moving on though, it sounds like you're coming around to your particular's a bit better now so hopefully folks can give you better tailored advice to help ya out. Let's see if we can nail it down a bit more



How do you feel about something like these variations of the same kind of 2x10 idea:







http://en.woodtec.co.jp/cms/wp-conte...e-handrail.jpg







Or perhaps a more "modern" interpretation by just changing the wood dimensions (aka instead of a 2x10, how about a 4x4):









Any skill with woodworking? (jig saw, router, sanding, etc)? You could do a pigs ear:









Or kinda along the lines of the first pic in this post, you could just use a router to round over the entire top of a flat board and add in some flutes to make your own design (for a modern flair.)



OR are you dead set on a round or traditionally shaped handrail?



How about a "base panel" with a more traditional railing attached to the top of it, something like this:









Also as a note, you might have to deploy some "easing" to change the level of the rail at your angled wall. Here's some good examples of what I'm talking about with "easing" - I'm fairly certain it meets code of "continuous" for ADA, though you might want to check and make sure:







http://sensationalstairs.com/wp/wp-c...2015/05/U1.jpg
I was very careful with my wording to make it clear that it was just my personal opinion that I didn't like the style rail you posted. I obviously made use of "lol" to show it was light hearted and a joke, and I still also said "no offense" too to be safe...but clearly that was just a waste of my time. If you still got offended by my opinion on your railing despite that, I don't know what to tell you. I don't know how I'm supposed to communicate that to someone any differently, nor do I think I need to. This is a forum for construction - materials, methods, and other related topics. This isn't a place to come for reassurance. People are entitled to their opinions, and nobody should have to apologize for that. If you always need people to agree with everything you say, youre in for a challenging existence in this world. And the mere fact that this conversation has steered this far off course absolutely blows my mind. Maybe when i was 12 and posting on boards frequented by other kids my age, but seeing this nonsense here when I'm trying to gather some info is just exhausting and frustrating.

As to what specifically you are claiming I've said, you are cherrypicking particular words to take what i said completely out of context. Please go fully read through this entire thread including my initial response to your post, so you can get an understanding of where I'm coming from. Aesthetics "don't matter", but there's a limit to everything. And i feel like this 1 handrail you posted crosses that line for me. I think those style handrails look like someone took a nail gun to a joist to tack it up on the wall. I find all big broad handrails like that very unattractive. Is that clear enough? There may be more in the future that cross the line as well, and that's ok. Stop trying to hold me to the fire like this is a courtroom. My stance on aesthetics was clear, because I've brought it up many times in this thread. I haven't shot down any other types of sections purely for aesthetic reasons, so clearly I'm open to many many different options. You just hit on one that i do not like.

I'm going to reiterate again too that this handrail is for a rental property, not my personal home. Aside from the complications that creates with tenant access, it also means that it's not a wise financial decision to spend a ton of money on some fancy handrail. I'm not saying it needs to be made out of the scrap wood in the cart at home Depot, but high end woods and intricate detailing would be a waste of money for me. I got more than enough money to spend on a handrail, but it would be foolish to spend it all just because I have it. I also don't want to go to the far extreme and just bolt on a couple pieces of bare pine. Im not trying to make the place less attractive to perspective tenants. So that still leaves me with a huge array of options. I'd say probably 99% of the handrails I've looked at are fine with me from an aesthetic standpoint. I'm getting stuck on the function and installation part - finding one I'll actually be able to mount without having to change a bunch of crap.

It's not lost on me that the second half of your post was well thought out and intended to end the previous discussion, so thank you for that. Please let's both just end this whole argument here and get back on topic.

To your question about woodworking skill, no, I don't have any to speak of. I have a miter saw, circ saw, sawsall, jigsaw, orbital sander, brad nailer, a bunch of drills, and some hand tools. I do not own a router, table saw, or any specific woodworking hand tools other than a small chisel set and coping saw. But even with the tools i do own, i have limited experience (except the drills, which i use a lot). So any sort of intricate railing like some of those you have posted is way out of the question for me. It would take me forever to make a lot of those given my experience level, and as previously stated they're probably far more expensive than is needed.

I am still entertaining options on using a regular 6010 profile, an aluminum rail, or a steel rail. I'm having trouble finding aluminum rails that can span 7ft between supports, and I'm just having trouble finding steel railings in general... Doesn't seem to be too many out there. Also still looking for adjustable brackets that would enable me to mount any kind of railing on the uneven brick wall. I've also been thinking about building my own railing, possibly with some kind of engineered product. I'm a little worried about the wood at home Depot, cause even straight pieces have warped on my over time. Only other place I know of is 86, but their hours are brutal. But with an engineered product, i shouldn't have to worry about definitions... Strong "shouldn't".



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Alright look, I tried to help, you want to ignore what I said re why others were offended, that's on you.

I wasn't "offended" as I noted, but now I suppose I am - Frankly I don't have the time, nor patience, nor give a hoot, to spend /my/ free time debating your personal preference and style tastes - nor to wade my way through your above wall of text putting words in my mouth. Maybe someone else on here will care more about your project.


Good luck and I'm out.
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I'm not getting why the wood board on top of the partial angled wall doesn't count. Like you can get your hand on it which is what a handrail is for - dumb IMO.



Anyway, in a bit of a rush so sorry if this has been suggested.

So you said the existing rail is too low yeah? How about raising that railing up, and using a 2x10 [with round-overed edges] on the stair side of the partial wall so it sticks up enough to make a handhold/railing?

This is what I've got at the house here and it's actually pretty nice to use. It has a 2x4 backer behind it to offset it from the wall, I figure you could do that below the "polished topper" on the angled wall to clear the lip/edge of it.

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That plain 2x board would not meet code in Minnesota. A board like that would need to have some running hollows to wrap your fingers in. The hand has to be able to grab closing in, not just rest on top... and there are dimensions specified.
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Old 06-11-2020, 11:49 AM   #56
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I hesitate to jump into this brouhaha, but throwing .02 in on the brick wall. If it's an old 14' wide rowhouse with brick party walls, those are probably bearing. Regardless of the condition of the face, there would be a solid, mortared fill between the 2 wythes giving you something solid to attach to through the brick. If it's just some aesthetic veneer, there is something somewhere behind it to attach to, find that structure.

The effort put in on the brick wall will be much less than the complication you have on the other side.
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If this is for a municipality the state / or code requirements, ask for a variance.

- - - OR - - -

Don't look at using standard handrail brackets. Draw up what you'd like and see if someone here or elsewhere can fab it for you.

It almost looks like you can extend the handrail, but need to fab a bracket that'll hold the handrail and mount to the surface of the wood - a bracket with it's mount 'turned' 90 from those on the wall. (btw, we've always called a handrail on the side of a staircase a banister.)

The drawing is eyeballing up the wood surface and handrail, as if the column with the t-stat & smoke detector aren't there...



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