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Old 08-31-2016, 10:43 AM   #1
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Grace ice and water or Gaf. Bury 6x6


I'm planning on burying my 6x6 posts
10 in all. (I know, I know) they will be about 30" deep and to help prevent rot the inspector suggested Ice and water shield.


I can get Grace ice and water for $79
36" wide at 36' length. 100 sq feet rubber

Or

Gaf weather watch polypropylene
36" at 50' 150 square feet for $59

Do you think it matters which one I buy?
I think the Gaf is granulated.
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Old 08-31-2016, 10:50 AM   #2
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Re: Grace ice and water or Gaf. Bury 6x6


Ice and water shield can hold the moisture against the wood, making it rot faster.

Why are you not doing this properly even though you seem to know you are not?
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Old 08-31-2016, 11:06 AM   #3
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Ice and water shield can hold the moisture against the wood, making it rot faster.

Why are you not doing this properly even though you seem to know you are not?

I think it's a difference of opinion...
I only said "i know I know" because of the opinions of most people on here.

I had every intention of not burying them until I spoke with contractors around me and the inspectors.

Where I live every contractor told me they bury the posts. I've called 10-15 for estimates and ended up doing it my self.

I called the city inspector and they suggested I bury the posts as well.


I thought a compromise between the two would be burying with ice and water shield
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Old 08-31-2016, 11:48 AM   #4
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Re: Grace ice and water or Gaf. Bury 6x6


I suggest you ask the inspector (and perhaps some contractors if they are willing to talk to you) whether they recommend wrapping the posts in anything. Since it seems to be common practice to bury posts in your area, perhaps the inspector or contractors have extensive knowledge about proper procedure for protecting buried posts. I for one would be interested in hearing what they have to say. I have never had much luck with buried posts, they always seem to rot, but obviously there is room for differences of opinion, so let us know what you find out.
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Re: Grace ice and water or Gaf. Bury 6x6


That just makes 0 since to me to do it that way.
It's not going to stay stuck to the post.
It's just going to form a funnel for water to lay in there?
Why not do it right and set the post on post bases on sono tubes?
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Re: Grace ice and water or Gaf. Bury 6x6


You are being mislead by those contractors and the inspector. Burying them is always a bad idea they will rot guaranteed. The rotting isn't a difference of opinion it's a fact. As I said on your other posts and others are saying on this post, your idea won't help and most likely will make them rot faster. If you like jacking up your deck and replacing posts have at it, but me no way would I.

I also agree with Daniel have those contractors enlighten you on how they stop the rot. Their response can not relate to pressure treated because that's not stopping it.
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Old 09-01-2016, 06:12 PM   #7
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Re: Grace ice and water or Gaf. Bury 6x6


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I'm planning on burying my 6x6 posts
Ayuh,.... Are these 6x6s P/T southern yellow pine,..??

If not,... What are they,..?? species,..??

Where I live, there's a 200+' wooden fence runnin' down the south boundary line,....
The ground is sticky clay, top clay, sub-clay, 'n eventually bedrock,....
The fence is P/T 4x4s at 8', with hemlock lateral stringers, 'n larch boards, 1x8s, nailed vertical on the stringers,....
It was installed in 1985,....

2 years ago, an odd wind storm combined with the fact I hadn't been out there to refilled, 'n tamp in 2" crushed limestone into the wallowed out fence post holes in the sticky clay, 64' of it, Snapped off, 'n layed down,....
To fix it, I bought 8 more P/T 4x4s to drop into the holes as I pulled out the broken bits,...
I used a foot long 3/8" lag bolt to attach a chain to the stubs in the ground, pulled 'em out, 'n dropped in the new 4x4s,...
Stood the fence back up, 'n off-set the whole thing 3, 1/2", 'n lag bolted the new 4x4s to the old 4x4s,....

Point of my story is, the original 4x4s, the bits I pulled outa the ground, are still at 95 to 99% of their original wood quality,...
Virtually No rot,... 1985, P/T southern yellow pine,....
I'm still usin' 'em for blockin',....

This is Jeff. Co. NYS, home of cold, 'n wet summers, 'n a couple hundred inches of snow every winter, in sticky clay,...

I will agree with the above statement that wrappin' any posts is counter-productive, a step in the wrong direction,...

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Old 09-01-2016, 08:32 PM   #8
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Appreciate all the responses.

Inspector said not to wrap them.

Just put them in the ground.

The posts I bought are rated for direct burial.



Not saying this is true for all posts but my buddy bought a house with a deck. The posts are above ground on concrete and all of the 6x6 brackets are rusted out. So they have to replace those now....
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The above ground portion of my deck was in rough shape after 17-18 years. Posts were in ground and were in decent shape when pulled out.

Posts for new deck are on steel brackets. But if you need the extra rigidity, I would not worry too much about burying the post. Unless maybe you are in a very wet area.

Just figure it to be a 25 year deck, not a 50 year deck.
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