Garage Ceiling Framing... Any Ideas? - Building & Construction - DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum
Advertisement


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Building & Construction

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Old 01-20-2016, 05:10 PM   #1
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 10
Rewards Points: 16
Default

Garage ceiling framing... Any ideas?


I would like to install a garage ceiling in my single car attached garage. Things appear a little tricky though.... The house is a ranch. I'm not familiar with all of the lingo, so bear with me here.

This is the basic framework of what I have now
Garage ceiling framing... Any ideas?-20160120_155714.jpg

This is the 2x6 support that runs sideways and sits on top of the exterior wall plate.
Garage ceiling framing... Any ideas?-20160120_155629.jpg

That 2x6 goes across the garage, through the wall...
Garage ceiling framing... Any ideas?-20160120_155638.jpg

This is the cavity above a staircase to the basement. The 2x6 continues through the next wall...
Garage ceiling framing... Any ideas?-20160120_155932.jpg

Where it sits on top of an interior wall plate.
Garage ceiling framing... Any ideas?-20160120_155951.jpg

Total length is maybe 15 feet.

Those long 2x6 supports that run the length of the garage are secured to the studs below the wall plates. There's only 2 of them.
Click image for larger version

Name:	20160120_155714.jpg
Views:	686
Size:	161.5 KB
ID:	237898

Here's a look at the rafters and more supports.
Garage ceiling framing... Any ideas?-20160118_162752.jpg

OK, so what would be the best way to frame a ceiling here? Initially, I thought I could just run 2x6 every 16 inch OC from the wall (in the above pic) to the first support and then in between to the next support. Of course and also tie it in to the rafters.... Any help here is greatly appreciated!

edit: I do not plan on hanging drywall. I do not plan on putting a ton of weight up there. Just frame it out and plywood the top for storage.
jsado is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 01-20-2016, 05:18 PM   #2
Retired Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Kane county,Illinois
Posts: 25,728
Rewards Points: 7,174
Default


How wide is that single car garage?

A 2x6 is not going to be strong enough for storage----
__________________
New members: Adding your location to your profile helps in many ways.--M--
oh'mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 01-20-2016, 05:23 PM   #3
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 10
Rewards Points: 16
Default


The garage is maybe 24 x 11. 2x6 every 16 oc isn't strong enough for storage? I can go 2x8 if I have to. That's not a problem. I really thought 2x6 was going to be plenty.
jsado is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 01-21-2016, 06:02 AM   #4
Retired Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Kane county,Illinois
Posts: 25,728
Rewards Points: 7,174
Default


An engineer or framer will be along soon---you need to look for a deflection calculator-
2x6--12 feet long is light for a cieling and will flex badly if subject to a load.
__________________
New members: Adding your location to your profile helps in many ways.--M--
oh'mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 08:22 AM   #5
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 10
Rewards Points: 16
Default


The ideal height that I'd like puts my ceiling joists in line with the loooong 2x6 supports that are connected below the wall plate. (Why they are connected below the wall plate is beyond me. Shouldn't they be on top?) Is it possible to connect ceiling joists below a wall plate? I can get additional support by adding rafter to joist connections. The joist span would be about 4 feet.
jsado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2016, 09:46 PM   #6
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,732
Rewards Points: 1,944
Default


Remove the joist/beam (not sure what to call it) going across the roof rafters. Install 2x8 with the rafters on top of the wall plates. I'm assuming that is the 11' side and the storage load is relatively light. No boxes of books in the middle. This gives you full ceiling height. If that joist beam was some kind of bracing for the walls, add it on top of the joists.
carpdad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2016, 01:46 PM   #7
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 10
Rewards Points: 16
Default


Are you saying the beams that run through the 2 different walls and then rest on the interior wall plate?
jsado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2016, 01:27 AM   #8
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 517
Rewards Points: 1,036
Default


Quote:
Originally Posted by jsado View Post
The ideal height that I'd like puts my ceiling joists in line with the loooong 2x6 supports that are connected below the wall plate. (Why they are connected below the wall plate is beyond me. Shouldn't they be on top?) Is it possible to connect ceiling joists below a wall plate? I can get additional support by adding rafter to joist connections. The joist span would be about 4 feet.
They are rafter ties their purpose is to keep the rafters from pushing your walls out sideways and collapsing the ceiling. If you install new 2x8 on 16 in. centers you need to make sure you connect the walls properly to keep the walls from pushing out. the one running into your house is keeping the gable end and wall from going in or out it can be retro-fitted with a diagonal brace.

another thing i noticed is that i think your firewall between your house and garage is possibly compromised speaking of which you may have to sheetrock the bottom of your joists after installed and check your hurricane ties on your rafters i cant see to well in the pic but its something you can easily remedy before you put in the floor.

this is how to do it below the plate line


this will take care of the brace running into the other room.
Mingledtrash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2016, 09:52 AM   #9
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 10
Rewards Points: 16
Default


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingledtrash View Post
They are rafter ties their purpose is to keep the rafters from pushing your walls out sideways and collapsing the ceiling. If you install new 2x8 on 16 in. centers you need to make sure you connect the walls properly to keep the walls from pushing out. the one running into your house is keeping the gable end and wall from going in or out it can be retro-fitted with a diagonal brace.

another thing i noticed is that i think your firewall between your house and garage is possibly compromised speaking of which you may have to sheetrock the bottom of your joists after installed and check your hurricane ties on your rafters i cant see to well in the pic but its something you can easily remedy before you put in the floor.

this is how to do it below the plate line


this will take care of the brace running into the other room.
Thank you for your response! First, what part of the firewall looks compromised? I can get you better pics if you'd like. Also, I assume you're saying I might have to sheetrock because of fire-proofing. Correct? If so, I guess I didn't even think of that.

I still don't think I understand how I should frame this in. I'm gonna take the pics and draw up some ideas to see what you think.
jsado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2016, 10:09 AM   #10
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 10
Rewards Points: 16
Default


Ok hopefully this isn't too ridiculous. Here's what I originally thought I'd be doing. (before I really started researching)... The red lines would tie in from the gable to the rafter ties, which is about a 4 foot span, and then in between rafter ties which is again about 4 feet. The blue lines would be more supports connecting that into the rafters.... That probably won't work though I guess.

Garage ceiling framing... Any ideas?-20160120_155714-copy.jpg
jsado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2016, 10:21 AM   #11
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 517
Rewards Points: 1,036
Default


Quote:
Originally Posted by jsado View Post
Thank you for your response! First, what part of the firewall looks compromised? I can get you better pics if you'd like. Also, I assume you're saying I might have to sheetrock because of fire-proofing. Correct? If so, I guess I didn't even think of that.

I still don't think I understand how I should frame this in. I'm gonna take the pics and draw up some ideas to see what you think.
Better pics of the fire wall would help for sure. what i was seeing was the trim missing of the lower man door which is a minor issue but the bigger issue would be the door up higher which i am assuming leads into the attic area. this door would need to be a fire rated door unless when you build your floor you sheet rock the bottom with 5/8 which will seperate the garage from your attic properly.

these might give you some insight.

this one you place your rafters on top of the plate line





this one you use a ledger and hangers
Mingledtrash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2016, 10:24 AM   #12
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 517
Rewards Points: 1,036
Default


Quote:
Originally Posted by jsado View Post
Ok hopefully this isn't too ridiculous. Here's what I originally thought I'd be doing. (before I really started researching)... The red lines would tie in from the gable to the rafter ties, which is about a 4 foot span, and then in between rafter ties which is again about 4 feet. The blue lines would be more supports connecting that into the rafters.... That probably won't work though I guess.

Attachment 238634
You would want your joists to run perpendicular to the way you have them drawn so they act as rafter ties what is the span in this direction wall to wall?
Mingledtrash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2016, 10:38 AM   #13
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 10
Rewards Points: 16
Default


The beam highlighted blue sits on top of the gable wall plate and goes through the first wall with the red X on it. That wall doesn't appear to me to be able to support anything.
Garage ceiling framing... Any ideas?-20160123_111310-copy.jpg

This is the inside of that wall. No real wall plate. Right? This is all new to me so please bear with me. The support comes from the wall on the right in this pic.

Name:  20160120_155932.jpg
Views: 622
Size:  81.9 KB

Do I have any better options for framing other than to run 2X8 at 16 OC through these 2 walls?

edit: just saw your other post
jsado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2016, 10:41 AM   #14
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 10
Rewards Points: 16
Default


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingledtrash View Post
You would want your joists to run perpendicular to the way you have them drawn so they act as rafter ties what is the span in this direction wall to wall?
24 feet
jsado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2016, 11:13 AM   #15
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 517
Rewards Points: 1,036
Default


The best option is to replace that beam with a new one it will need to run to wherever a bearing wall is located and have a post down to the concrete, cutting your span in half. then you will run your joists perpendicular to that beam.

What you have now is not a beam it is just a brace to keep the exterior wall from being pushed in or out.

You could span the 24 feet without a beam but you will need engineered lumber.

it appears that the garage was once larger and someone put a partition wall in for some reason. can that wall come out?
Mingledtrash is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Garage door framing stevekem Building & Construction 12 11-02-2012 07:53 AM
Garage ceiling joists and beam question Truth Building & Construction 8 01-05-2012 07:52 PM
Garage shelving ideas koodawg General DIY Discussions 3 12-31-2010 09:52 AM
Framing a garage ceiling bobber Carpentry 1 11-24-2009 12:01 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts