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Old 11-09-2008, 05:54 PM   #1
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Do you see a problem with this modification?


I have to replace a header due to termite damage. Here is the current framing:



The cripple studs on top of the header are about 5 inches long. I was thinking about increasing the size of the header to 4x12. The cripple studs will then only be 3 inches. Does anyone see anything wrong with this? I am also going to double up the king studs.
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Old 11-09-2008, 06:18 PM   #2
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Absolutely nothing at all wrong with that, although if the current king studs are in good shape, there's not a lot of point in adding more. Their primary purpose is just to keep the jack studs from shifting position.
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I agree
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Old 11-09-2008, 09:06 PM   #4
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Definately not a problem to upsize the header, and the short studs are ok as well.
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why not install the header tight to the top plates this way you can toe nail the header right to the plates,and being you where going to change the studs remove the jacks and install new ones and then block down the bottom of the header with the old jacks. I find this easier then cutting all those cripples and having to nail 3" 2x4's into the header. and try not to split them. BOB
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If head room is important at all, I would consider using LVL (laminated veneer lumber). It is much stronger per inch and the cost is pretty close from a lumber yard versus the box stores. And I agree about incresing the thickness even if you go with 12", but rather than have 3" cripples, just add two 2x4s horizontally along the bottom. Still 3", but easier to attach your door/window/casing etc.
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why not install the header tight to the top plates this way you can toe nail the header right to the plates,and being you where going to change the studs remove the jacks and install new ones and then block down the bottom of the header with the old jacks. I find this easier then cutting all those cripples and having to nail 3" 2x4's into the header. and try not to split them. BOB
Great... Thanks for the idea. I am planning on installing a french door with two side lites next year. I will have more options with height doing it your way.

I have a couple more questions. What can I use as spacers below the header if it doesn't work out to 3 inches? That was a rough estimate. I'm guessing plywood strips???

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Also, I need to removed the lower top plate (it is a double plate). What are the offsett requirements for this (overlap of 2x4 ends)? Is it 4 feet minimum, or can you have the bottom plate end anywhere as long as a stud is under the end. I hope I described this right.

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Old 11-09-2008, 11:32 PM   #9
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4 feet minimum, or can you have the bottom plate end anywhere as long as a stud is under the end.
That sums it up. No plate breaks within 4' of each other and you'll be good to go. Don't break the plate between studs if a joist bears between the studs.

You only have to have one continuous plate if all your loads stack, so removing one plate at the header location is not an issue at all.
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Great... Thanks for the idea. I am planning on installing a french door with two side lites next year. I will have more options with height doing it your way.

I have a couple more questions. What can I use as spacers below the header if it doesn't work out to 3 inches? That was a rough estimate. I'm guessing plywood strips???
what is your current ceiling height now? If its 8' And your using a 2x12 header with the top plates you will be around 14-1/2" down from the ceiling which wood be good for any interior [email protected] 82"
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