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Old 01-31-2009, 11:38 AM   #16
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I think it would be easier to just add support below??

Ah, but you said you have plumbing issues which prevent having the new ceiling support beam where the old wall is?

What about a thicker support beam - that encompasses the existing upper wall?
Make it look like a big ole rustic beam




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Old 01-31-2009, 11:37 PM   #17
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I think you are fine. You know that the house has to be supported through to the ground before you remove the wall and you know that 1.5 in does not count as adequate support for the end of a joist, and you know that scabbing in pieces of wood will eventually fail. kctermite's idea of sistering new longer joists will work as well, but then the second story bearing wall is now offset and it has to be moved? And then the roof is not supported in the right place? You can see these things; we can't. That is why I proposed my original solution. Bearing members need to be placed on top of each other, otherwise you are causing additional bending stress on your joists and that is why your 1st floor was forced down in the first place!
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A while back I started this thread concerning ceiling joist mods for taking out a wall between my kitchen and dining room. The ceiling joists rested on a load bearing wall between the Kitchen and D/R. The wall was sitting perpendicular to the floor joists about 1 foot off and parallel to the floor girder. The wall had been pushing down on the joists and was causing the floor to sag. The solution then was to move the wall over the floor girder requiring the kitchen ceiling joists to be replaced, sistered or lengthened by scabbing an 18 inch length to it. I scabbed the joists in question. Actually 1 inch of the existing joist would sit on the new wall top plate. Since that time I have rethought my plan and installed a new footer and column under the floor and then installed a 16 foot engineered beam from the exterior wall to the interior wall w/post over the footer. Then removed the interior load bearing wall between the kitchen and D/R. I have attached a picture. Still lot's to do. More to follow.
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