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Old 07-04-2018, 09:52 PM   #31
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The ends of what ever you put there would be ugly. How high is the rim off the ground.
I'd say between 8-9'.....What ends are you referring to..the gutter? That could be a half moon, or even bamboo for that matter..this is an artsy project.
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I'd say between 8-9'.....What ends are you referring to..the gutter? That could be a half moon, or even bamboo for that matter..this is an artsy project.
If they slope down to the out side and you gave them 1/4" per foot you would be looking at the end 4 inches below the deck with a gutter below that.
I guess you could put the gutter against the house and slope it the other way.
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If they slope down to the out side and you gave them 1/4" per foot you would be looking at the end 4 inches below the deck with a gutter below that.
I guess you could put the gutter against the house and slope it the other way.
If it drops off the 45 angle, it will be in no mans land anyway, so probably wouldn't be an issue. Also might be nice to drop it into a recycling barrel of some kind.
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If it drops off the 45 angle, it will be in no mans land anyway, so probably wouldn't be an issue. Also might be nice to drop it into a recycling barrel of some kind.
So, you are thinking fashioning a gutter to go up between them from the corner to corner, I like that. If it sloped toward the house you would have to get rig of the water
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So, you are thinking fashioning a gutter to go up between them from the corner to corner, I like that. If it sloped toward the house you would have to get rig of the water
Right, that is the concept..to tie the two sides off the 45 together and let it drop into a receptical. I am huge into rainwater collection anyway, and that would just be design element to explore. I'd like to tie all the gutter systems into it...but that may be above my pay grade at this point. You have given me alot to think about. Sure am glad you stuck with me.

Guess the wrapping of the fascia is still eluding me. I'd like to keep it natural looking as much as possible. Probably will go with galvalume panels of some sort, but looks like all the makers of that stuff are into plastic. Won't happen..but gave me some ideas.
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Right, that is the concept..to tie the two sides off the 45 together and let it drop into a receptical. I am huge into rainwater collection anyway, and that would just be design element to explore. I'd like to tie all the gutter systems into it...but that may be above my pay grade at this point. You have given me alot to think about. Sure am glad you stuck with me.

Guess the wrapping of the fascia is still eluding me. I'd like to keep it natural looking as much as possible. Probably will go with galvalume panels of some sort, but looks like all the makers of that stuff are into plastic. Won't happen..but gave me some ideas.
We have had a few samples show up here of fake wood out of China that has a rough finish like rough cut wood that can be stained.
But I haven't seen it in the store yet.
Much like this stuff,
https://crown-molding.com/shop/ceili...ux-wood-beams/
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@Jacey ; you could probably buy some of that and cut it up and make a shiplap join on it and use 2 pieces to cover the rim.
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@Jacey ; you could probably buy some of that and cut it up and make a shiplap join on it and use 2 pieces to cover the rim.
Prior to stuff like this Chinese import, how did they "wrap" treated lumber with cedar? I am still confused by that, but I know I've seen it and almost indistinguishable from a real beam, at least from where I stood.

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Prior to stuff like this Chinese import, how did they "wrap" treated lumber with cedar? I am still confused by that, but I know I've seen it and almost indistinguishable from a real beam, at least from where I stood.
Actually I have not seen it done. We do it with a paint grade that has been wire brushed on to look like rough cut and it comes pre primed.


Are you planning on a finish to protect it. Then you could pre seal all sides.
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Actually I have not seen it done. We do it with a paint grade that has been wire brushed on to look like rough cut and it comes pre primed.


Are you planning on a finish to protect it. Then you could pre seal all sides.
I would seal where needed..but I have seen it done both ways..Yesterday we had a rain for the first time since I put the deck down and i was AMAZED at the return of the original color and beauty of the wood. That being said, I've also done a cedar deck (just generic, not fresh milled aromatic cedar like this is)....I think I did TWP on it one year, but then let it go. It held up really well, turned silver and was still very pretty. That was 20 yrs ago now..and I will probably be replacing that deck, but mostly because of my mistakes installing it originally shimming it unnecessarily and now that is a wonk job.

My neighbor works in cedar alot, and he uses Cabots sealer...looks very transparent going on and stays true to the color of this wood..I will probably use that.
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I would seal where needed..but I have seen it done both ways..Yesterday we had a rain for the first time since I put the deck down and i was AMAZED at the return of the original color and beauty of the wood. That being said, I've also done a cedar deck (just generic, not fresh milled aromatic cedar like this is)....I think I did TWP on it one year, but then let it go. It held up really well, turned silver and was still very pretty. That was 20 yrs ago now..and I will probably be replacing that deck, but mostly because of my mistakes installing it originally shimming it unnecessarily and now that is a wonk job.

My neighbor works in cedar alot, and he uses Cabots sealer...looks very transparent going on and stays true to the color of this wood..I will probably use that.
We build fences out of western red, it can dry good and the painted ones don't last much if any longer than the silver ones.
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We build fences out of western red, it can dry good and the painted ones don't last much if any longer than the silver ones.
Thank you for saying that. I always expect to be reprimanded for letting things age naturally. I have four ash juniper posts at the corners that were never sealed, and I just hate the look of neglected posts that were at one time sealed. They look atrocious after a year. And never look as good even when retreated.

I am something of a connoisseur of juniper by now tho. I can tell when they will have pithy parts develop. It is essential to get a really solid tree to begin with. And never let it touch the ground if possible, at least not for long.

Not sure what the dif of eastern and western red cedar is...and juniper is often called cedar here erroneously. The eastern red cedar is a huge straight tree, ruby red and aromatic. The ash juniper is much more prone to a beautiful form.
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I have never seen juniper and don't know much about the different cedars.
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I have never seen juniper and don't know much about the different cedars.
I noticed this AM when I checked on the rainy deck...removed all power tools, but left a claw hammer up there. I noticed it had a black stain under it when I went to move it. Do you know what that is or how to remove the stain? I had that happen with a broken drill bit too.....is that powder coating coming off? The Hammer silhouette surprised me tho...hope I can lift that off somehow.
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