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Old 01-21-2018, 07:27 PM   #16
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Nails from nail guns don't have the holding power of either screws or hot dipped galvanized nails. I wouldn't use nail gun nails for any framing. Wouldn't use them to hold down the floor panels either, but that's just me. Suggest using screws and be sure they are rated for use with treated lumber. Do not use regular screws in pressure treated lumber.
Nail gun nails aren't as good as hammer driven nails? I don't think so. First of all nails are all different for different uses.
Bright or common framing nails can be pulled out easily. Pull out resistance isn't the only measure of a fastener. Shear strength is where these nails shine. Most screws will snap from a shear force while the nail will bend a bit but still hold.
Ring shank nails have a higher pull out resistance, so they make sense for roof shingles where screws would just be impractical. A roofing nailgun lets us put a roof on in a day or two.
Screws have their place and nails do too. There's a reason why we use both but for different purposes.
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Nail gun nails aren't as good as hammer driven nails? I don't think so. First of all nails are all different for different uses.
Bright or common framing nails can be pulled out easily. Pull out resistance isn't the only measure of a fastener. Shear strength is where these nails shine. Most screws will snap from a shear force while the nail will bend a bit but still hold.
Ring shank nails have a higher pull out resistance, so they make sense for roof shingles where screws would just be impractical. A roofing nailgun lets us put a roof on in a day or two.
Screws have their place and nails do too. There's a reason why we use both but for different purposes.
I am not really wild about using nails. The reason is i have a bad wrist and using nails will make my wrist hurt bad. I am thinking about using nail gun and screws
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FYI, Screws are not allowed for Framing according to the code book I work under (Canada), due to their weakness in Shear strength. Nails bent and hold. Screws snap off without warning.
Not sure if the US Code allows for them or not.
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FYI, Screws are not allowed for Framing according to the code book I work under (Canada), due to their weakness in Shear strength. Nails bent and hold. Screws snap off without warning.
Not sure if the US Code allows for them or not.
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Tensile strength is a major concern.
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Take a look at the website below. It may give you some good ideas about building the base.

https://www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Shed
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I am not really wild about using nails. The reason is i have a bad wrist and using nails will make my wrist hurt bad. I am thinking about using nail gun and screws
I suffered a wrist injury a couple years ago right in the middle of a major remodel and roofing job. Every swing of the hammer = Ouch! A wrist brace helped, and it was a lot easier to use the nail gun than a hammer, but there was still some recoil from it. Screw guns have torque too, especially if it binds and doesn't have a clutch, so watch out for that too. For those times where you have to swing a hammer, they make some that transmit less shock to your wrist and elbow. I have a Stiletto with a titanium head and wood handle that delivers the impact to the nail of a 28oz framing hammer while being much lighter and not jarring my wrist. The Stilettos aren't cheap, but I'm still working and able to hammer away when I need to because of it.
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Most of the buildings sold here in town have 4 x 4 as runners. I live close to TNT Carports,Carolina Carports,Eagle Carports and Leonard's Buildings all of the head quarters and stores and have looked at many of the buildings.I already have a Building from Carolina Carports that came with the house and it is a 12 x 20 or so and the runners are 2 x 6 and 2 are bolted together for 2 runners(total of 4 pcs of wood)
I didn't mean that using 4x4's as runners is a problem. Using 4x4's as runners is fine provided that there are sufficient support posts. What I meant was that I don't think TWO 4x4 runners are enough to hold up a 12' x 12' shed. Foundation problems are a nightmare and for a shed close to the ground is unfix-able or at the least, extremely difficult to fix.

Here's one way of looking at it. Where is most of the weight in a shed stored? Answer: on shelves along the shed walls, and tall/large stuff along the shed walls not on shelves. With your plan to set your runners 3 feet back from the sides, almost all weight of the stored goods will be over the unsupported floor joists. --- Also note that the weight of all of the shed's walls and half of the roof (assuming a supported roof ridge) will be on the outer edge of the floor joists. --- I think two runners, each set back 3 feet will be quite bad.

With one runner down the center and the two outer runners set back 1 foot from the walls, this will put the outer runners directly under your shelves, and stuff you store against the walls where almost all of the weight of your contents will be. The center runner minimizes floor bounce. IMO, the cost for a third 4x4 runner down the center is negligible but your mileage may vary.

Regarding using screws (rated for pressure treated lumber) for framing, I think doing that is fine since hurricane clips will be used on all of the joints. When attaching the hurricane clips, only use nails that are made specifically for hurricane clips. Those nails are rated for shear strength. The hurricane clips will hold the joints together in the best way possible for strong winds. --- For what it's worth, that's the way I built our shed.

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I don't know your elevation and property type. I have built a few garden sheds with concrete monolithic pour on grade with through bolts to bottom plates. (pressure treated)

I've been around a while and everyone of my friends or aquantices have built garden sheds on Wood, Blocks, Bricks, Railroad ties, Stones etc etc. And have had problems one way or another. Critters, water, rot, flexing etc etc.

No body listened they just went ahead and did it. I have never had any of the problems referenced above.

I guess it all depends on grade, area of the Country, weather condition's. Good luck. I would definitely stay away from OSB.
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This is what I did - link

Removed grass and used a manual tamp to compact the dirt. I had a few 1'x1' pavers leftover and used those as "footings" if you will. Three pressure treated 4x4 runners sat on those. The floor frame was then lag bolted into the 4x4 runners. Floor frame was constructed using all PT 2x4 @ 16" OC. Decking was 5/8 pressure treated plywood. Shed has been built for a few months now and has absolutely no "spongy" feel to it. My shed is 10'x12'. Just throwing out ideas.
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There's different ways of doing it. I used 6 deck blocks, filled the hole with concrete to make them flat, then laid 3 pressure treated 6x6's on it, then build a deck on top of that. This allowed me to have the blocks tucked in under the shed so they don't stick out. Not a huge deal, just an aestetic thing. Will make it easier when mowing the lawn too.

You can see my build here: http://www.diychatroom.com/f49/shed-build-565122/

I ended up using all screws though, did not realize it was against code here. "construction screws" are supposedly better now than they were before so maybe eventually they will be accepted if they are deemed to be just as good as nails.

The hardest part is fighting with the weather though. My project dragged for months because it kept raining. If I was to do it again I'd rent one of those giant party tents lol.
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The hardest part is fighting with the weather though. My project dragged for months because it kept raining. If I was to do it again I'd rent one of those giant party tents lol.
This. Buy a 20' x 40' HF tarp and keep it handy. Also, once you get the walls up, it's a PITA just tarping/untarping the structure each day. That took like half of my "after-work-working-time" each day haha.
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All the sheds mentioned blocks, 4 x4s etc etc

All nice for critters to make houses under the sheds.
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