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Old 09-10-2008, 07:17 AM   #16
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even though it's a duplex with no tenants and there were no tenants when I bought it? Also there are joint owners so who's to say one of us wont live in one unit and one in the other? Could we still not do the work ourselves?

Nobody here knows what community the home is located in, (probably a good thing). Contractor licensing requirements vary by state and community, so it's a safe bet that no-one on here can answer these questions.
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OMG...!

Know what? sounds like a TV series...either "Disaster DIY", "Holmes on Homes" - or something like that - where professionals have to come in somewhere in the process to save the day for a broke homeowner who either thought they knew it all and could do it themselves, or where the job was so bad that codes meant nothing.

'I'm an engineer...how hard is it to build a house?'

'I have to save on permit fees. I just spent x thousands of dollars on a house, now I'm broke, so saving $30 on a permit is critical...'

What BS.
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:21 AM   #18
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tnis0612,

Permits are not expensive.
You can do things in stages rather than the entire building. The only hold-up, if at all, will be waiting on the inspector to show up. With two of you involved in the project one of you should always be available to meet them and most I've worked with will work with you to arrange a best time for their visit. A very small inconvience for the peace of mind you'll have today and years from now.

Without permits you will get into trouble. Period.

Everyone here has offered sound advice. A duplex in a historical district ..... well all I can say is you did have the good sense to register here and ask questions. Make the phone calls, ask questions, keep notes and call back again and again if necessary. That's one of the things those folks are paid to do, answer questions about permits.

Good luck to you on this project.
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:33 AM   #19
 
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not much different than comments post'd in vila's forum tho perhaps not as harsh
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when I lived in Memphis I was looking into a home in the historic district and did a bit of checking before I bought the place I was planning on doing the same as what you are till I found out the facts.The historical preservation people work hand in hand with the inspectors and must approve everything right down to the colorer of the paint.I would have been required to replace moldings ,doors,windows,ect.... with what ever matched the period at the time of building.I was told that not only would it have to pass code inspections but also the preservations inspections and every aspect of work with drawing and product lists would have to be approved for use.I asked what would happen if something was used that was not approved and was told I would be fined by the city one way or the other and no more work would be able to be done till the approved work was done and that once I had submitted a product for approval it could take several weeks or months to get approved.Another word they would drag their feet because I didn't work with them.I am sure Va is pretty close to the same standard.I understand what your trying to do but if you do start working with the inspectors and the historical people you may never get an occupancy OK.Being on a tight budget I would have done some serious checking before I bought this place
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not much different than comments post'd in vila's forum tho perhaps not as harsh
...that's an understatement! IF the OP doesn't get the message he never will...
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YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS !!!





weekly paper here in marietta, ga - church leader cops a plea & is threatened/promised JAIL for failing to obtain permits - failing to obey stop work order - no stamped approved plans - no inspections - no NUTTIN!!!

judge says tear EVERYTHING down & restore it pre-work - COMPLETELY AS IT WAS !!! or head for the hoosegow SIXTY DAYS or til site & building's put back to original,,, i wonder what would've happened if he'd been in an historic district.

btw, it wasn't a car wash or the manse - IT WAS THE ACTUAL CHURCH ITSELF!!!
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YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS !!!

weekly paper here in marietta, ga - church leader cops a plea & is threatened/promised JAIL for failing to obtain permits - failing to obey stop work order - no stamped approved plans - no inspections - no NUTTIN!!!

judge says tear EVERYTHING down & restore it pre-work - COMPLETELY AS IT WAS !!! or head for the hoosegow SIXTY DAYS or til site & building's put back to original,,, i wonder what would've happened if he'd been in an historic district.

btw, it wasn't a car wash or the manse - IT WAS THE ACTUAL CHURCH ITSELF!!!
Even the big guy upstairs can't get away with not pulling a permit!

Judges take this stuff seriously in my experience. This story nicely illustrates our collective point.
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you got it,,, shouldn't **** off the pope, 'mite
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YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS !!!





weekly paper here in marietta, ga - church leader cops a plea & is threatened/promised JAIL for failing to obtain permits - failing to obey stop work order - no stamped approved plans - no inspections - no NUTTIN!!!

judge says tear EVERYTHING down & restore it pre-work - COMPLETELY AS IT WAS !!! or head for the hoosegow SIXTY DAYS or til site & building's put back to original,,, i wonder what would've happened if he'd been in an historic district.

btw, it wasn't a car wash or the manse - IT WAS THE ACTUAL CHURCH ITSELF!!!
So do they have to pull a permit to return it to original condition? Also, who determines "original condition"?
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So do they have to pull a permit to return it to original condition? Also, who determines "original condition"?
More than likely, yes. That way the AHJ can maintain oversight of the work being done for code compliance.

Who determines original condition was probably established by the judge. I imagine the building official and the contractor will come to an agreement of the expectation, with mediation by the court if necessary.
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YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS !!!





weekly paper here in marietta, ga - church leader cops a plea & is threatened/promised JAIL for failing to obtain permits - failing to obey stop work order - no stamped approved plans - no inspections - no NUTTIN!!!

judge says tear EVERYTHING down & restore it pre-work - COMPLETELY AS IT WAS !!! or head for the hoosegow SIXTY DAYS or til site & building's put back to original,,, i wonder what would've happened if he'd been in an historic district.

btw, it wasn't a car wash or the manse - IT WAS THE ACTUAL CHURCH ITSELF!!!
Is this the one you are talking about?
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cool - no longer a subscriber to the atlanta urinal & constipation, tho,,, thanks !

local had more lines on the story but, YES, its the same defendant.
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In a nut shell.


You are violating a bunch of rules just to save yourself some money. Some would call that stealing and fraud.

OK so you didn't plan to need all these permits and it will play havoc with your budget. Be an adult and deal with it. Scale back.

Codes are created to protect not only you, but the next owner, tenants and the neighborhood community. So yes, it IS NOT OK to f**k over your community so you can make/save a little money.

While it does depend where you are, here(LA, CA) you cannot work on property that you aren't going to live in. So no duplexes. You cannot pull an electrical permit unless you are licensed electrician. You cannot work on the electrical unless you are certified worker, who has specific training and certification. You cannot arbitrarily change a single family residence into something else without approval from the Zoning dept. That is part of the permit process.

Being in a historical district provides even greater controls and penalties. There is a thing called "Scorched Earth" where you are prohibited to build anything on that piece of ground for a period of years. Think what that would do to your budget.

So to be blunt, get the permit NOW. The risk to yourself is too great. And more importantly the risk to others. One more thing, you can't sell the property if the un-permitted work comes to light.
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