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Old 03-04-2010, 01:14 PM   #16
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Same idea frame it out level with the bottom of the vent
Then build the wall underneath
Using rigid against the concrete 1st, then put the wall right against the rigid

So in the illustration above, am I just attaching the one 2x4 directly to the wall somehow?
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If that is an outside concrete wall I would put rigid foam against the concrete
Then build a wall right against the rigid foam
Put a 2x flat between the stud bays & use a tapcon or other anchor to attach the wall thru the rigid foam to the concrete

The wall could be short enough to put 2x's or strapping across the top of the wall to box in the vent

All depends upon how big that vertical pipe is & if you want it buried in the wall



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Same idea frame it out level with the bottom of the vent
Then build the wall underneath
Using rigid against the concrete 1st, then put the wall right against the rigid

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If that is an outside concrete wall I would put rigid foam against the concrete
Then build a wall right against the rigid foam
Put a 2x flat between the stud bays & use a tapcon or other anchor to attach the wall thru the rigid foam to the concrete

The wall could be short enough to put 2x's or strapping across the top of the wall to box in the vent

All depends upon how big that vertical pipe is & if you want it buried in the wall
Sweet! Thanks alot everyone. I can't wait to get started now. that was the only part of the framing I couldn't figure out how to do in my basement.
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Glad you found a solution! Remember you need an egress window or door from the basement directly outside in case of fire. The rigid foam board may not qualify as a fire-stop between the vertical wall and the soffit/joists above, applied as mentioned. Remember to fire-block the wall every 10' along it's length : http://www.diychatroom.com/f98/how-f...framing-37190/ Page 8,9. Check with your local building department as you apply for the permit required to satisfy your Home Insurance carrier.

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Do you want to go right under that steel beam?
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Just wanted to mention how great your graphics are. Very clear and easy to understand.
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You could do the framing like this, and use tapcons or powder actuated tool to fasten to the concrete, just like the plate that is attached to the floor.bsmt wall-Model.pdf
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*sigh* LOL... See this is what sucks at being a novice. I can't explain myself correctly. Or my picture is no good. LOL.. BUT the steel beam stops at the wall in question. Not the wall perpendicular to it but the wall that continues on from the steel beam. Ok, if you take a look at that big PVC pipe and the gas pipe right next to it you can see that these 2 pipes take up all of the ceiling real estate between the duct work and the wall. I cannot run 2x4s up there to neither soffit out those ducts, or run a top plate for my framing on that wall. The pipes are running the same direction as my framing on the wall would. So my main issue is, I have nothing to attach to, so I was trying to find a solution.

I hope that's understandable. I am feeling dumber and dumber by the moment. LOL

I'd be more than willing to have someone call me if that would help with me better explaining.
It's not that anyone is all that lacking in communication skills. But the pictures ARE sketchy, at best.

I sat down to begin to go ahead and draw you a full basement picture. But I just didn't have enough information to go on.

For instance, even the comment about running a wall 'the length' of your basement. We, sitting here looking at two photographs, have no idea which is the length, and which is the width of your basement. It would be nice to have a basement layout drawing showing wall lengths and placement. Same with the location of the stairway.

A few other questions:
Is that vertical black pipe supporting the beam?
Were you wanting to enclose it in a wall some how?
If so, How? And with a wall running in which direction?
Or do you just want to box it around?
If a box, what size, and do you want to use that for shelving or something?
What is that horizontal black thing? A pipe? The bottom of the beam?
How far out from the wall (and how long is that wall? - and what else is on it?) does the duct-work run?
Where else does that ducting run?
Is it all the same height?

And this short list just scratches the surface of the dozens of things people have to know to offer effective suggestions.

Without all the facts, we might suggest things totally unworkable.

With full information, the wealth of inventive and creative knowledge here could possibly guide you into the creation of a fabulous makeover in that basement.

But with two photos..... we know you have some ducts and a white pipe.

Not trying to be a smart arse, but imagine trying to envision my motorcycle if I showed you a view of the windshield and one of the tailpipe. Kinda tough, huh?
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I used to work for a defense contractor. I was in charge of coordinating the maintenance and constant rebuilding and restructuring of more than a million square feet of office and assembly areas. With new contracts coming and going every day, that place remained in a perpetual state of dynamic reconstruction. We kept a 22 man crew busy 24/7.

I tell you this to point out that two of us used to go into an area (like your basement) with a blank sheet of paper and a legal pad. We would typically spend no less than 4 to 6 hours measuring and sketching every inch of those areas. Sometimes three or four days. If it was there, it was recorded.

Without doing this, none of the other drafts-people or engineers in our department had any idea of what in the world they would be able to do for their part of the renovations. These "As-Built Drawings" as they are called, were the heart of the project. I got to where I could walk by a cubicle where a couple of engineers were talking about, say... putting in some ductwork. Because I knew the area by heart, I was often able to stop in my tracks, and let them know that the size duct they were talking about wouldn't work........ for whatever reason...... because I knew the space it was going into.

This is close to the way you need to be about your basement. Details and specifications. They will need to get into your memory. You should soon be able to construct your project in your dreams.
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CLICK HERE to see some photographs of basement rebuilds one of the members on our sister site, ContractorTalk, has done.

Notice how he has incorporated the necessary ceiling drops and wall widenings to create accent areas or to give the appearance of "built-in" areas or alcoves. You have to get clever to make a basement look truly "finished".

You will also find a section on EGRESS WINDOWS on his site.
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It's not that anyone is all that lacking in communication skills. But the pictures ARE sketchy, at best.

I sat down to begin to go ahead and draw you a full basement picture. But I just didn't have enough information to go on.

For instance, even the comment about running a wall 'the length' of your basement. We, sitting here looking at two photographs, have no idea which is the length, and which is the width of your basement. It would be nice to have a basement layout drawing showing wall lengths and placement. Same with the location of the stairway.

A few other questions:
Is that vertical black pipe supporting the beam?
Were you wanting to enclose it in a wall some how?
If so, How? And with a wall running in which direction?
Or do you just want to box it around?
If a box, what size, and do you want to use that for shelving or something?
What is that horizontal black thing? A pipe? The bottom of the beam?
How far out from the wall (and how long is that wall? - and what else is on it?) does the duct-work run?
Where else does that ducting run?
Is it all the same height?

And this short list just scratches the surface of the dozens of things people have to know to offer effective suggestions.

Without all the facts, we might suggest things totally unworkable.

With full information, the wealth of inventive and creative knowledge here could possibly guide you into the creation of a fabulous makeover in that basement.

But with two photos..... we know you have some ducts and a white pipe.

Not trying to be a smart arse, but imagine trying to envision my motorcycle if I showed you a view of the windshield and one of the tailpipe. Kinda tough, huh?

Hey thanks alot Willie, but Dave did actually answer the question for me. I guess I could have explained that the first picture was for the first question and the 2nd picture was for the second question.

Gotta remember, I knew nothing about this going on. So it may a lil hard for me to convey myself or know exactly what you may need to answer my questions. But I've been doing a bit of research and am learning. So bear with me
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I tell you this to point out that two of us used to go into an area (like your basement) with a blank sheet of paper and a legal pad. We would typically spend no less than 4 to 6 hours measuring and sketching every inch of those areas. Sometimes three or four days. If it was there, it was recorded.
Off topic but have to express my appreciation you said that. I was feeling guilty it took me the better part of a work day last week to completely lay out my small warehouse with utilities, furniture, equipment, 2 sizes of bays with current variations noted and typical space requirements. And all I got nailed down on paper to scale was the warehouse itself, the rest I can do back at my desk.
I know my co-worker didn't get why and I doubt any one else in my dept would either. Cripes, how long does it take to run a tape from end to end and side to side of a small bay type warehouse?
When I began I thought it would be quick too compared to construction projects. But didn't take long to realize inches do count and I had to have all the limiting absolute factors in ink on the vellum to begin figuring out improving storage and maintain efficient tasking. I feel better now.
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If that is an outside concrete wall I would put rigid foam against the concrete
Then build a wall right against the rigid foam
Put a 2x flat between the stud bays & use a tapcon or other anchor to attach the wall thru the rigid foam to the concrete

The wall could be short enough to put 2x's or strapping across the top of the wall to box in the vent

All depends upon how big that vertical pipe is & if you want it buried in the wall
Dave:

Great illustration. Really makes the point.

I have a similar situation with an HVAC duct running along the top of a foundation wall leaving no space for a top plate to be placed near the foundation wall. I have foil insulation installed against the entire perimeter of the foundation walls (slab to ceiling). I don't believe that I have the option of anchoring the stud wall to the outside concrete foundation wall through the insulation. I believe that I will have to find a solution that allows the wall to end just below the HVAC duct and then be supported by a bulkhead/soffit that is connected to the floor joists. Your solution looks good, but if it depends on anchoring to concrete exterior wall through existing insulation, I think that it will neither be allowed by inspectors nor will it preserve the integrity of the insulation.

Once I get a handle on this, I'll have to figure how to fireblock this wall.

Will the following technique (as shown in the attached figure) work and be code compliant?

Thank you
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