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Old 09-17-2015, 06:18 AM   #31
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I don't know what jiggered means, but if it has to do with an inability to read, then yeah.
Never asked anything remotely like "would adding an outlet destroy grandfathering".
Maybe you need to read the title of this post. And I believe you wrote it.
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Old 09-17-2015, 07:02 AM   #32
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A reputable company designed it that way.
It works adequately and does no harm. (as long as I avoid stepping in the sewage sump while it is running, I don't see how it could do any harm)

You would spend $1,000 to replace it? Yeah, that is absolutely amazing.
But it is great that you know more about pump design than Liberty.

Oh, Im sure they did. But riddle me this: Why do all metal frame appliances like refrigerators and washer require a 3 prong plug no matter how reputable they are?
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I am mighty surprised!
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Generally, replacing a defective component with a new component of like kind will not destroy grandfathering. Also, you are usually allowed to replace an existing regular receptacle or breaker with a ground fault circuit interrupter model. Adding a ground wire (equipment grounding conductor) whether within a newly strung replacement cable or as a separately run conductor usually will not destroy grandfathering.

Substantial although somewhat imperfect protection against electrocution is provided when the pump is hooked up using metal pipe and both the pipe and the pump frame are grounded using appropriate equipment grounding conductors.

Near perfect protection against electrocution is provided by GFCIs with or without grounding.

Nowadays metal framed equipment needs an EGC (provided via the grounded plug and associated/appropriate wiring) so that, in the event of a malfunction resulting in a fault to the frame, any fault current returns to the panel ground in a fashion that the voltage difference between the frame and any other somewhat grounded object such as a wet floor will usually be small enough to not result in electrocution. Also so that in the event of substantial fault current, which might essentially be a short circuit, the breaker will trip.
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Old 09-17-2015, 10:39 AM   #34
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Nope, just had the idea today. Do a search if you have nothing better to do.

But thanks for taking the time to respond; too bad you didn't even try to answer the question.
Seems funny that someone also named Toller posted almost the same question on /19.
I guess you didn't like those answers?

Inphase277, thanks for finding the nonexistent thread.
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I'm not sure what the problem is here. You can add an alarm anywhere. Do a run of low voltage wire for the sensor, or use a wireless sensor/alarm. Why mess with line voltage, grandfathering, and code when you don't really have to?
I checked with the manufacturer. They say adding 100' of 22awg is fine.
Thank you so much for the advice!
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Are you really this much of an a$$hole, or do you enjoy being a jerk to those trying to help you?
A couple people tried to help me, and I thanked them.
Several others just thought it would be fun to see if they could get me to replace a perfectly good pump. I'm outa here.

http://www.cbs.state.or.us/bcd/notic...30_OESC_pr.pdf

There are many others that also have the exemption.

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Maybe you need to read the title of this post. And I believe you wrote it.
Obviously I mean other than this post. Damned, you are a jerk.
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Obviously I mean other than this post. Damned, you are a jerk.
You seem to be the only one showing his a$$. Have a good day.
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Man, this was interesting to read!

The whole purpose of these forums is to learn. Some people just don't want to learn and don't appreciate those who try to teach.
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