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Old 09-04-2009, 10:07 PM   #31
 
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beginnerDIY - congrats on diagnosing the problem. Speedy makes a valid point about the energized fan brace, it's probably time for new friends.

It's a nice example of a breaker doing its job - and a perfect example of why when a breaker trips the first thing that should be done is to look for a failure in the circuit.
Good point. I swear I had no idea that was the problem until I was responding to Scuba and it hit me... unreal.

I never even knew it tripped. I would have known what the problem was right away if my wife had told me that the DW had no power. She just told me today.

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Thanks, the box is, I think, 1 1/2" deep. It may be deep enough. Does that count as accessible?
Can I use the fan box as both a Jbox and to power the fan?
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Old 09-04-2009, 10:22 PM   #33
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Yes, if the wire reaches, and there is sufficient room in the fan box. You are basically going to "bury" the splice in the back of the fan box. That means it will be "accessible" and in compliance with the Code.

Wire-nut the conductors together, and then fold them neatly in the back of the box. Then install your fan wire, and connect to your fan as if they are the only wires in there.
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Yes, if the wire reaches, and there is sufficient room in the fan box. You are basically going to "bury" the splice in the back of the fan box. That means it will be "accessible" and in compliance with the Code.

Wire-nut the conductors together, and then fold them neatly in the back of the box. Then install your fan wire, and connect to your fan as if they are the only wires in there.
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sometimes when there is odd, but code compliant, wiring like that i like to put a little label on it to explain. "spliced wire for DW". or something. it will no doubt confuse someone 10 years from now.

be sure you are not over crowding the fan box. there is a max number of marretts you are allowed for a given volume of space.

glad you solved your problem so fast. sometimes just talking it out can really help.

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Thanks everyone for the help!

I cut the hole this morning and sure enough the wire was hit while installing the fan. The black wire was very slighty nicked. I took the metal from the fan support bar away and the circuit is fine. How devastating would it be to just tape the nick with electrical tape. I know it's against code but is it really a grave threat?
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How devastating would it be if your insurance company denied your claim for a fire caused by damaged wiring, possibley with no inspection certificate?

Short term fix only. Rewire it or make an accessible junction which meets code. If this means tampering with an exposed ceiling area consider covering with a removable speaker grille or cold air vent and no one but you will know why it is there.
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How devastating would it be if your insurance company denied your claim for a fire caused by damaged wiring, possibley with no inspection certificate?

Short term fix only. Rewire it or make an accessible junction which meets code. If this means tampering with an exposed ceiling area consider covering with a removable speaker grille or cold air vent and no one but you will know why it is there.
So I taped it for now. I put a 6X9 access panel in. It's right behind the fan so it's not really noticeable. I will get a jbox next week... I need to see what the wife thinks of the panel when she comes home

If she doesn't like it I will patch the sheetrock and put a small vent in.

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