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Old 04-26-2016, 03:52 PM   #31
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I've heard that one many times, but I don't agree that it's valid. You need two things too happen, a partially inserted plug and the faceplate screw backing all the way out. What's the chances of both of those happening ?

If it did, it was most likely some duffus who tried removing a faceplate while something was still plugged in.
But then it's only a factor if the cord has a ground, most lamp cords, chargers, devices and the like don't.
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Seems the apprentice was right-
Why did you have to say that ?
now they will be insufferable !

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Old 04-26-2016, 09:29 PM   #33
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This issue seems to be raised here some regularity. I am increasingly convinced that I am the only person that does not routinely store sheet metal directly above all their electrical outlets in some manner just waiting to fall.

Someone needs to make a duplex output where one is ground up and one is ground down. It would be perfect for those that want to switch half an outlet. (I'd buy it just to watch people stare at it.) We'd probably argue over whether the grounds should point towards the center or the outside though.
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All of our outlets are installed horizontal. None of this matters around here.
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All of our outlets are installed horizontal. None of this matters around here.
Yes does. Now do you put the ground right or left. That would also be the hot pin up or down.
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Yes does. Now do you put the ground right or left. That would also be the hot pin up or down.
No it doesn't. The ground isn't up or down. So we don't have to worry about which way it goes.

But if you are referring to whether the hot or neutral is up, still doesn't matter as the odds of something happening are so microscopic it's a non-issue regardless of horizontal, vertical, up or down. It only matters to those that are OCD.

Being consistent is more important.
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all of our outlets are installed horizontal. None of this matters around here.

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All of our outlets are installed horizontal. None of this matters around here.
Of course, (virtually) all Australian socket outlets are installed horizontally, with the earth pin down - and they all have inbuilt switches.

http://www.clipsal.com/Trade/Product...ail?catno=2025

They are also available for Vertical installation, and I understand that this is preferred in New Zealand.

http://www.clipsal.com/Trade/Product...il?catno=2025V

This design was "adapted" (pinched!) (in 1937) from a certain US design. (US patent 1,179,728 - 1916) The dimensions, space occupied and the threads of the securing screws are all exactly the same as those for North American outlets.
(While it may look like a NEMA 10-50, the NEMA 10-50 is larger.)

China and Argentina also use this design - but the Chinese use it "upside down".

The International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) "world plugs" Web site calls this plug Type I.

(The IEC designation for North American plugs is Type A [not-Earthed], and Type B [Earthed])
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When I was going to school (a loooooong time ago) for electrical training, the instructor taught us to always hook up the ground wire first, neutral second and the hot last (kind of forgot why now). Since most people are right handed, this always put the receptacle in the ground pin down position which then went into the box that way. One guy in the class was left handed so doing what he was told his wound up ground pin up. Aver since then some of us around here refer to ground pin up recept as being done by left handed electricians.

Besides, if you go pin up, you cant do this... yes, I posted the clean version


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I asked a commercial ol' timer electrician who was installing them that way, the answer he gave me was -

"when the receptacle has the metal style cover, should the retaining screw ever come out, the plate would drop down and it would short the hot and neutral"
how would that happen ? the plate would fall down and never come close to the wires on the screws ? just a thought never happen
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how would that happen ? the plate would fall down and never come close to the wires on the screws ? just a thought never happen
It would hit the blades of the partiality inserted plug.
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Just use this one, it should satisfy everyone. :-)
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A broken attachment...that is the opposite of satisfying.
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It would hit the blades of the partiality inserted plug.
their are lot's of if's here, if the plate fell to the right and the tip and left were to totch that should be ground and ground ? if hook up right way if it fell the other way may short , , if hook up wrong or right to many if's here and this post is going no where i can see , most are plastic , but some are metal so again lot's of if's again oh well that make's for lot's of post's been in electric back in 1947 and little before , lots of changes
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their are lot's of if's here, if the plate fell to the right and the tip and left were to totch that should be ground and ground ? if hook up right way if it fell the other way may short , , if hook up wrong or right to many if's here and this post is going no where i can see , most are plastic , but some are metal so again lot's of if's again oh well that make's for lot's of post's been in electric back in 1947 and little before , lots of changes
I was just answering his question, and I agree with you. Way too many if's.
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