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jbfan 03-27-2019 07:51 PM

Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
This is from Canada!


Mike Holt Enterprises Electrical News Source
Unlicensed Contractor Ordered to Pay $25,000

Mike HoltElectrical safety is our key concern and I'm always looking out for information that will help keep the industry safe. The following article was brought to my attention and I felt it was worth passing along. I hope you find it has value.


In Ontario, Canada, the owner and operator of M.J. Contstruction pleaded guilty and was convicted for conducting unsafe electrical work without an electrical contractor's license.

The Electrical Safety Authority (ESA) reports that Leonard Sankar pleaded guilty to 13 charges in total, including multiple counts of working without an electrical contractor's licence and not taking out an electrical permit. He also pleaded guilty to one count of unsafe electrical condition where a live wire was left hanging in the basement of a home. If someone had touched the exposed wires, they could have received a fatal shock.

Subsequent to charges being laid, but before the guilty plea, M J Construction hired a licensed electrical contractor to go to all of the locations flagged by the Electrical Safety Authority (ESA) so the electrical work could be corrected of any defects. This was done at most of the addresses and was done at the expense of M J Construction.

It should be noted that Derek Sankar, manager of M J Construction, was convicted before on June 20, 2017 of doing electrical work without an electrical contractor's licence, for failing to apply for inspection and for unsafe electrical conditions. Much of the electrical work M J Construction did at the time was found to be non-compliant with the Ontario Electrical Safety Code; there were numerous defects in the electrical work.

"Illegal electrical work puts Ontario residents at serious risk of injury," says Joel Moody, Chief Public Safety Officer, ESA. "Electrical work is hazardous and should be performed by a Licensed Electrical Contractor with the expertise, equipment and training to do the job safely."

"Electrical safety is a shared responsibility among contractors, homeowners and the public," adds Normand Breton, Registrar and Director of Contractor Licensing, ESA. "We all need to do our part and comply with the Ontario Electrical Safety Code and the associated regulations. The laws for conducting electrical work in Ontario are very clear: any business that offers or performs electrical work must be licensed by ESA. Mr. Sankar broke the law and the conviction demonstrates how seriously we, and the Courts, take such matters."

Hiring a Licensed Electrical Contractor When hiring someone to do work, homeowners and businesses are reminded to:

Ensure the contractor holds all required qualifications and licences including an ECRA/ESA
licence for electrical work. You should also ask for their references.
Check that the contractor has secured all appropriate permits and inspections.
Advise the contractor that you expect a copy of the ESA Certificate of Inspection from them once the electrical work is complete.
To verify or find a Licensed Electrical Contractor, visit findacontractor.esasafe.com.

About the Electrical Safety Authority
The Electrical Safety Authority's (ESA's) role is to enhance public electrical safety in Ontario. As an administrative authority acting on behalf of the Government of Ontario, ESA is responsible for administering specific regulations related to the Ontario Electrical Safety Code, the licensing of Electrical Contractors and Master Electricians, electricity distribution system safety, and electrical product safety. ESA works extensively with stakeholders throughout the province on education, training and promotion to foster electrical safety across the province. More information on the Electrical Safety Authority can be found at esasafe.com, through Twitter and on Facebook. ESA's Customer Service Centre can be reached at 1-877-ESA-SAFE (372-7233).

BayouRunner 03-27-2019 08:52 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
Ouch!

joed 03-27-2019 09:01 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
The ESA site has a list of convictions. You can read them all for yourself.

https://www.esasafe.com/licensing/co...ce/convictions

BluegrassGuy 03-28-2019 03:37 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joed (Post 5802413)
The ESA site has a list of convictions. You can read them all for yourself.

https://www.esasafe.com/licensing/co...ce/convictions


This needs to happen here as well. I see too many electrical hack jobs that have obviously been done by unlicensed workers and handymen.

lenaitch 03-28-2019 04:49 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
A former colleague took a post-retirement job as an ESA investigator. He said it was steady work.

CodeMatters 03-28-2019 05:47 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
Could be argued that the ESA has self serving interests in stopping
unlicensed/unpermitted electrical work in Ontario.
....wonder how I could punish everyone who doesn't hire me....-)

curiousB 03-28-2019 06:24 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
ESA paints all DIYers as incompetent. That seems an over reaction.



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CodeMatters 03-28-2019 06:25 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
And a not so well known fact about the ESA in Ontario:
Most electrical contractors are on the ACP (approved Contractor Program) list.
This means that most of their work is not inspected. A small percentage of their
work is inspected and they're allowed to keep their ACP status as long as their
defect rate remains low....and they attend expensive ESA training periodically.
The fact that their work is not inspected does not mean that a "notification" isn't
required for every job, and of course, every notification must be paid for.
So, building owners, general contractors, etc regularly pay for "inspections" which
don't actually occur.
Not a bad business model.........:)

lenaitch 03-28-2019 08:04 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CodeMatters (Post 5802977)
And a not so well known fact about the ESA in Ontario:
Most electrical contractors are on the ACP (approved Contractor Program) list.
This means that most of their work is not inspected. A small percentage of their
work is inspected and they're allowed to keep their ACP status as long as their
defect rate remains low....and they attend expensive ESA training periodically.
The fact that their work is not inspected does not mean that a "notification" isn't
required for every job, and of course, every notification must be paid for.
So, building owners, general contractors, etc regularly pay for "inspections" which
don't actually occur.
Not a bad business model.........:)


And I'm not sure I have a problem with that. If a contractor establishes and maintains a professional reputation with the Authority it seems like a safe way to expedite the services provided by the industry, similar to contractors approved to pull and re-tag meters, or an approved furnace company allowed to replace a furnace without an on-site TSSA inspection. I don't know the ESAs funding model but something has to pay to maintain the Authority.


I'm not sure how someone can view ESA enforcement as picking on DIYers. The enforcement action listed on their website cites contractors.

supers05 03-28-2019 09:40 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joed (Post 5802413)
The ESA site has a list of convictions. You can read them all for yourself.

https://www.esasafe.com/licensing/co...ce/convictions

As does TSSA and a few other enforcement agencies. They aren't afraid to take things to court when needed.

I don't particularly like their funding model. It makes them lean to heavily on "administrative fees" and "educational fees" which are quite expensive. There was a time where we didn't worry about calling out the authorities to verify the correct solution before actually doing to work. Now it's so bad, we avoid them like the plague. Other then that, they provide an important service, I'd just prefer a different method.

Cheers!

dmxtothemax 03-29-2019 09:10 PM

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I dare say that a large proportion of diy work is done to a good safe level,
Many go to great lengths and care about what they do,
Only a small portion of DIY work is dangerous
And this has more to do with the individuals attitude
So no amount of rules will change those types of people

supers05 03-29-2019 09:31 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmxtothemax (Post 5803715)
I dare say that a large proportion of diy work is done to a good safe level,
Many go to great lengths and care about what they do,
Only a small portion of DIY work is dangerous
And this has more to do with the individuals attitude
So no amount of rules will change those types of people

Lol, as evidenced by a recent thread. [emoji21]

Cheers!

John Snow 03-30-2019 09:39 AM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CodeMatters (Post 5802977)
And a not so well known fact about the ESA in Ontario:
Most electrical contractors are on the ACP (approved Contractor Program) list.
This means that most of their work is not inspected. A small percentage of their
work is inspected and they're allowed to keep their ACP status as long as their
defect rate remains low....and they attend expensive ESA training periodically.
The fact that their work is not inspected does not mean that a "notification" isn't
required for every job, and of course, every notification must be paid for.
So, building owners, general contractors, etc regularly pay for "inspections" which
don't actually occur.
Not a bad business model.........:)

What does this expensive training cost?

I thought it was only a code update every three years, $175
(Which should be done by all licenced electricians IMO)

Also ACP is ending this year. A new risk based oversite system is starting

Shadow99 03-30-2019 01:08 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by curiousB (Post 5802975)
ESA paints all DIYers as incompetent. That seems an over reaction.

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Not really , they allow homeowners to take out permits for their own property. They also inspect the work.

A handyman doing electrical work on other properties is not allowed, which is why they say you must use a LEC.

Shadow99 03-30-2019 01:09 PM

Re: Taking chances with unlicensed persons doing electrical work
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eddy current (Post 5803907)
What does this expensive training cost?

I thought it was only a code update every three years, $175
(Which should be done by all licenced electricians IMO)

Also ACP is ending this year. A new risk based oversite system is starting

What are YOU doing here ?? You lost? :biggrin2:

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