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ibjames 09-07-2010 02:27 PM

Taking a 220 run and installing a sub panel
 
I have a 220 outlet in the garage for a dryer. I don't have an electric dryer anymore, so I don't need this, what I do need is circuits though. I had an electrician inspect my house wiring and he said I could use the 220 run for a sub panel.

My next question.. can I just use the same wire and run it to the subpanel? Or do I have to put another wire in?

secutanudu 09-07-2010 02:33 PM

How many wires are run to that outlet, 3 or 4? You need 4 for a subpanel for with the possibility of 240v connections. Not sure if you can use a 3-wire connection for a subpanel for all 120v use....well you CAN, the other guys here would know if it's up to code.

Also, What is the distance of the run and the gauge/color wire?

ibjames 09-07-2010 06:46 PM

I can't get that yet, haven't gotten into the place, just trying to plan, will update this as soon as I find out :thumbsup:

nap 09-07-2010 07:04 PM

if you use the current wire, it will be a very small subpanel. a standard dryer circuit is only 30 amps so the wire used will most likely be #10 cu. That means if you use that wire, you can only install a 30 amp subpanel.

ibjames 09-07-2010 07:51 PM

ok.. what if I upgraded the breaker in the main to a larger 50 or 100amp. I have 100 amp service currently, would I need to get my service upgraded? I don't see myself putting in a hot tub or anything soon. I would like to use the sub though for all new runs if possible.

Scuba_Dave 09-07-2010 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibjames (Post 497445)
ok.. what if I upgraded the breaker in the main to a larger 50 or 100amp. I have 100 amp service currently, would I need to get my service upgraded? I don't see myself putting in a hot tub or anything soon. I would like to use the sub though for all new runs if possible.

Anything over 30a means you need to replace the wire - that ran the dryer
Main service replacement depends upon whole house calc for power use




ibjames 09-07-2010 07:58 PM

I figured I would have to run a new wire :thumbsup: Cool.. maybe that is what I'll do, I was going to just do the 30amp, maybe the best would be just to run a nice fat wire back to the main for the sub, put a big breaker on it, and then rewire the rooms to the sub with shiny new wiring, and it will be in the house also instead of outside. :thumbup:

Scuba_Dave 09-07-2010 08:17 PM

Usually not a good idea to run a 100a sub off a 100a service
Some have said that Inspectors do not like the same breakers in a row
Your current main panel is outside ?
Is the main panel full ...no spare slots ?
Are you just running/planning on small loads on the sub ?
Usually you want 240v loads going to the Main panel




ibjames 09-08-2010 08:12 PM

I have 100A service, panel is outside and totally full, one breaker is double tapped.

I'm buying the place, would like to change the configuration of electrical. There is a couple neutrals with two on one post also. I'll change that.

I was thinking of getting my service upgraded and then just putting in a 100A service and then putting in a sub panel in the garage.

If I didn't get 200A service, could I run wire that could take 100A service but only use a 50A circuit breaker for it?

Scuba_Dave 09-08-2010 09:29 PM

Yes, provided a 50a breaker is rated to hold that size wire
You could go to 60a/70a/80a etc
Maybe look at the breakers available & price
Here the 50a & 60a are about the same $$

Square D QO (not homeline) is one panel MFg that is rated to double tap a breaker

I'd also call the POCO & see if the current service is OK for 200a
Usually its not....but you never know




frenchelectrican 09-08-2010 11:19 PM

If you really want the subpanel in the attached garage it is not a issue but make sure you have 4 conductor cable and I will throw in Stubbie's link about the subpanel set up so you can understand it more clear.

For myself a genral rules for subpanel I useally set at 50% of the main breaker size but nothing more unless the load demand show to me that is very small load then I may increase the subpanel size.

So like example right now you have 100 amp breaker so the subpanel it will be maxuim of 50 amp and of course you will have to change the conductor size to meet this requirement.

Let me throw in stubbie's link about subpanel

http://www.dropshots.com/stubbie4#al...09-05/21:23:54

Just hit that link then you can able understand more on this.

Merci.
Marc

ibjames 09-09-2010 05:57 PM

looking at that diagram, a grounding rod is required for the sub panel? :eek:

nap 09-09-2010 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibjames (Post 498438)
looking at that diagram, a grounding rod is required for the sub panel? :eek:

I think Marc grabbed the wrong picture (or there isn't one exactly as needed). The one Marc linked states it is for a detached building. No ground rods if this is in an attached garage.

ibjames 09-09-2010 06:12 PM

thats what I thought :thumbsup: if it was in the garage the only one needs to be at the main :thumbup:

frenchelectrican 09-09-2010 10:00 PM

Opps sorry hit the wrong one .,

Really you need this one

http://www.dropshots.com/stubbie4#al...09-04/20:03:00

It was my fault I was not pay attetion to the slection of the photo.

Merci.
Marc


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