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Old 11-16-2012, 10:04 AM   #16
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Thanks for the reply

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Reinstall the switch and don't change anything.
Got it. Will do.

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Install a new receptacle using the 2 insulated wires remaining on the old receptacle.

Can you explain why I need a new receptacle? Isn't this just a matter of what wires are attached to the existing one?
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You do not really have to but I think it is the easiest. If you want to reuse the exiting receptacle, you have to connect both brass screws together.

Remove the wire* from the brass screw. Take about a 6" piece of new wire and strip about 2" of insulation. Wrap the stripped end around both bras screws going clockwise and tighten screws. Strip an inch off the other end and wire nut to the wire* you removed.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:55 PM   #18
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New receptacles are $3.00. And it will be much easier and faster to change them then to pigtail both top and bottom screws together on the old.

The reason is that the old have been physically altered to be half switched.
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Re: Removing lightswitch control half of outlet duplex


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option one-----pull out the switched outlets-----there will be two power wires -one on each gold screw----
using your tester--find the switched wire----remove it from the outlet and cap it with a wire nut---

the tab that normally connects the two gold screws has been snapped off---so--either add a short jumper wire from the live screw to the one you removed the switch wire from----or install a new outlet that still has the connecting tab.

Option two----pull out the switch-----if you are lucky--the power (switch leg) for the ceiling and the wall start in that box---


If the switch has a power on one terminal---and two switch legs attached to the other terminal---

Figure out which switch leg goes to the wall---and move it to the power terminal on the switch---and the outlet will be 'hard wired' for constant power---
I have the same issue as the OP. The second options is the less expensive, but I am not sure how it would be done. I have two wall switches, one turns on the Fan, the other turns on the light on the fan and the half hot outlet. I would really like to know which wire to disconnect from the light switch to keep the outlet completely hot. I can take a picture of the switch wiring and post it here if it helps. I dont know if you want a picture of the half hot outlet also.

Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: Removing lightswitch control half of outlet duplex


Here are some pictures I took.
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Re: Removing lightswitch control half of outlet duplex


Replace the outlet with a new outlet. Wire the new outlet just as the present outlet is wired except, if the top half of the outlet is switched put a wire nut on the wire to the top half. If the bottom half is switched, put wire nut on the wire to the bottom half.
In other words do not use the wire to the half of the outlet that was switched. Just put a wire nut on it.

(I am guessing that the bottom half is switched. That would mean you would cap the red wire.)
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Re: Removing lightswitch control half of outlet duplex


I came across this post because I'm trying to do the same thing, removing one outlet from a wall switch (but want to keep the others in the room like they are). I expected to see wires matching the original 'option one', and I bought a new outlet so that it has jumper intact.

Instead what I found is two sets of 3 wires coming into the electrical box.

On the current outlet, the 'Hot' top screw has two black wires connected to it (one from each set of incoming wires). The 'Hot' bottom screw has two red wires connected to it (one from each). There's one white wire in each of the white screws. And then two ground wires connected to the green screw.

I'm confused why the two separate blacks and reds are connected to each other when only the bottom outlet is controlled by the switch, the top is always on.

I want to have both always on. So, if I just remove and cap off each of the red/black/white/ground wires that come from the switch, do I also just cap off the other red wire? Or should I still have the 'always on' black and red wires both connected to the new outlet?

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It won't let me post links, so attempting to attach some pictures here of the current outlet wiring.

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Re: Removing lightswitch control half of outlet duplex


The red wires are switch controlled wires. The black wires are the always hot wires. There are two of each because they continue on to the other receptacles in the room. To remove the switch control remove the red wires and cap them with a wire nut. This will keep the switch power going to the other receptacles. Put one black on each gold screw with the tab intact.
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Re: Removing lightswitch control half of outlet duplex


Wire in the new receptacle the same way, except instead of connecting the red wires to the receptacle, just twist them together with a wire nut. And don't remove the metal tab between the upper and lower half on the hot side.



The red wire is the switched hot. By connecting the two red wires together, you're passing that on to the next outlet in the daisy chain, which will still be switched, assuming it is connected to the red wire.
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That makes sense! I didn't even think about the two sets of wires being because it daisy chained to the next outlet. That's the part I was missing.

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Yes, you should find that you have additional outlets down stream from this outlet that are split. That is half controlled by the switch. If you wish to keep this capability connect the two red wires together with a wire nut. Connect the two white wires (neutrals) to the neutral side of the new outlet (silver screws). Connect the two black wires (hot) the the hot side of the outlet (brass screws).
If you do not wish to keep this capability, that is you want both halves of the down stream outlets to be hot all the time, connect the white wires to the neutral side of the outlet. Connect the two black wires together and add a pig tail (a short piece of wire). Connect the pig tail and the red wire to the hot side of the outlet (brass screws).

Most people on this site do not recommend using the "quick connect" holes in the rear of outlets and switches, known as "back stabbing" as shown in your existing outlet.. The reason is that back stabbing leads to poor connections over a period of time. Finding such poor connections can be a real bear at times.
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Re: Removing lightswitch control half of outlet duplex


I finally had time this evening to swap this out. Very simple to replace the outlet, get the wires where they needed to be, and just tie together the red wires. The new outlet is always on, and the rest of the outlets in the room are still half-controlled by the light switch.

Thanks for the quick responses!
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Hey guys - I have a room that has two half hot outlets on the same circuit, both controlled by 3 way switches on each end of the room. I’d like to have both outlets be always on and remove the two switches entirely. Can anyone advise on how to do this? Here’s a drawing of the wiring I can see (I know the top left is missing a few, but I’m 90% certain that’s where the circuit gets its power). I’m happy to answer any questions to best I can to clarify things as needed. https://share.icloud.com/photos/0dnRwhzG49W6ufZ9hlTFeq9aA#Home
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