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I'm wiring up blinds using 120v, and live in New York City. According to code,
can I run BX cable through the wall and have it pop out of the window frame and terminate in a female plug? The alternative is to join the cables in a little (3.75 x 1.5 x 1.5) handy box, which I'm not excited about having on the window frame.

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I'm wiring up blinds using 120v, and live in New York City. According to code,
can I run BX cable through the wall and have it pop out of the window frame and terminate in a female plug? The alternative is to join the cables in a little (3.75 x 1.5 x 1.5) handy box, which I'm not excited about having on the window frame.
You can not put a plug body onto BX cable in New York or anywhere else.
The cable is not made for that.
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The Philmore 8515J is designed for MC cable. (I mistakenly thought it was also for BX.) Is using it against code?

Using that on BX is against code.

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Where do see that rated for MC cable? I don't see that in any specs that google finds.
It's says it is an armored connector but does not say rated for armored cable.
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Where do see that rated for MC cable?
https://vetco.net/products/armored-c...lug-nema-5-15r
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That plug link certainly says it is for MC, but my issue would be in the lack of flexibility of solid wire fitting onto the terminals. Could you put a in-wall receptacle in the window? I have seen small boxes and plugs made to go into storefront aluminum framing. Someone else can say what box that is I am sure.
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That one page is the only location on the whole internet that I can find any reference to that part being used with MC or AC cable. The manufacturer's catalog (which is the only "data sheet" that seems to exist for that part) does not say anything about those cables, and neither do other distributors' websites. I think Vetco's site content writer got confused about the receptacle's description saying "armored" and just assumed it was referring to the cable type. It has a rubber bushing in the cable clamp, which would not be helpful or appropriate for use with MC or AC which needs the sheath to be grounded and relies on metal connectors directly grabbing the armor to do it.

I can't think of any circumstance where it would be code compliant to attach a receptacle directly to the end of an MC or AC cable. There's just no code-compliant use for that. It's been done many times by many people, but not with any kind of official approval!

I can't vouch for the quality level since I've never used this specific one, but here's an example of a solution that might be better: https://www.amazon.com/Sillites-Self...12616654&psc=1
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This doesnt answer your question but I have battery operated blinds that work well. It's another option.
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That one page is the only location on the whole internet that I can find any reference to that part being used with MC or AC cable. The manufacturer's catalog (which is the only "data sheet" that seems to exist for that part) does not say anything about those cables, and neither do other distributors' websites. I think Vetco's site content writer got confused about the receptacle's description saying "armored" and just assumed it was referring to the cable type. It has a rubber bushing in the cable clamp, which would not be helpful or appropriate for use with MC or AC which needs the sheath to be grounded and relies on metal connectors directly grabbing the armor to do it.

I can't think of any circumstance where it would be code compliant to attach a receptacle directly to the end of an MC or AC cable. There's just no code-compliant use for that. It's been done many times by many people, but not with any kind of official approval!

I can't vouch for the quality level since I've never used this specific one, but here's an example of a solution that might be better: https://www.amazon.com/Sillites-Self...12616654&psc=1
The self- contained plug looks great! Do you know if it's code compliant in NYC, where Romex is considered too weak?
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This doesnt answer your question but I have battery operated blinds that work well. It's another option.
I'm considering that, but I'm worried about battery life. I'm imagining batteries will start failing in 5 or 10 years, though they haven't told me what kind of batteries the use. They are not user serviceable in mine (Shade Store).

If someone can tell me the life expectancy is longer than that, I'd be happy. Installing 12v wires would be so much easier!
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Be that as it may.

I do wonder that anyone (and advertisers) could consider that a "Female" type connection device could be considered a being a "Plug" when it is clearly a "Socket".

I do realise that my remarks could be considered as being "inappropriate" on several levels and I apologize in advance if anyone is offended.

However, most persons do know how temporary electrical connections are constructed and the analogy with certain temporary male/female connections seems to be quite valid.
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I'm considering that, but I'm worried about battery life. I'm imagining batteries will start failing in 5 or 10 years, though they haven't told me what kind of batteries the use. They are not user serviceable in mine (Shade Store).

If someone can tell me the life expectancy is longer than that, I'd be happy. Installing 12v wires would be so much easier!
We have battery operated shades covering most of our windows. Our typical window is 6ft x 5ft. The motor is powered by 6-8 AA batteries. I just changed them after about 2 years of use. The wave a wand that hangs down with an up button and a down button.

Dont know if that works for your application but it sounds a lot easier that running cable.
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I can't vouch for the quality level since I've never used this specific one, but here's an example of a solution that might be better: https://www.amazon.com/Sillites-Self...12616654&psc=1
Unfortunately that's for Romex only, which isn't allowed in New York.
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Be that as it may.

I do wonder that anyone (and advertisers) could consider that a "Female" type connection device could be considered a being a "Plug" when it is clearly a "Socket".
I missed that. Yeah, I wouldn't trust any of the info on that site if they can't even keep the difference between plugs and receptacles straight. There's no way that thing is intended for use with MC/AC.
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The self- contained plug looks great! Do you know if it's code compliant in NYC, where Romex is considered too weak?
No idea - but I'm sure NYC doesn't approve of receptacles dangling from the ends of MC cables either.
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