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Old 07-11-2010, 09:20 AM   #16
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Yoy, I know you are an engineer or something like that, but would you seriously give advice like this:
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You could try probing the ground for voltage using a single conductor in an extension cord as one long test lead and the regular meter lead as the other.
If the current flow is east to west, then you should get a larger reading with the probes along an E-W line than along a N-S line.

The farther the probes are apart, 20' or 40' or farther, the greater the voltage reading.
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Helpless in Ohio....btw I know that electricity and water dont mix and the only thing I understand about electricity is that I use it to "shock" people back into a normal heart rhythm in the ER....
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:31 AM   #17
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It's got to be much safer than swimming in that pool!

I never understood why something as large as a cow is more sensitive to current than we are.
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:46 AM   #18
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The ONLY safe thing for them right now is calling in the pros.
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Old 07-11-2010, 10:56 AM   #19
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Here's some more info.
http://www.google.com/search?client=...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Yes, the OP can call several pros and ask them about the different techniques discussed in these links plus whatever worked in the past for them.
The ones who can comfortably talk about the ups and downs of each method seem like good candidates for coming out for a looksee and some tests/measurements.
The test instruments for this don't seem particularly outlandish or specialized.

As for the non-returned phone calls, notifying the Ohio Attorney General in writing can sometimes loosen tongues. The OP has already paid his/her salary so he might as well get something for it.

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/

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Old 07-11-2010, 12:13 PM   #20
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I agree with Speedy Pete .,,

Engough is engough .,,

You have to call the electrician to come out and deal with the situation and whoever installed the pool if they are still in bussiness they should the one put up all the mess and that pool company should pay for the mess I will never let that install like that at all that is way too dangerous and too many code related issue not only on electrical side but I have a feeling there may other issue as well.

Just like everyone else say .,, stop use the pool and call in electrician I know it will cost some money but this is the only way you can make the pool safe.

I am sorry if that sound harsh but to do troubleshoot the pool electrical system that not a easy task and it can get over your head very easy and with your sistuation.

Get the POCO come back and they will have to dig up few more testing including check out other house where it may get stray voltage comming from somewhere else if the POCO tempory shut one section of grid they can able dail in which house it is causing stray voltage. { the stray voltage can go quite a distance if bad primary connection }

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Old 07-11-2010, 02:41 PM   #21
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Reading through some of my links tells me that asking PoCo to fix this
is like asking the fox to guard the henhouse.
Stuff they do, or change, a half mile away can cause this.

The experts recommend using a 500 ohm resistor to simulate the human body for testing. 470 ohms is a standard 5% value and a 2w power rating should be plenty. It's a few cents from Radio Shack. Numbers are hard to spin.

Also, the voltage level may vary with the time of day so I'd recommend that your elec. guy hook up a recording voltmeter.

What a dangerous and costly hassle.

In this case salty water actually helps because it shunts some of the current around the less conductive human body.

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Ok guys, the sky is not falling.
just ground everything and see if the problem goea away. it should all be grounded anyway.

There is no need to call in the Nation Guard in on this one.
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Another possibility is maybe it's actually a phone line causing the issue. Phone lines are still about 50 or so volts, and higher while it's ringing. Do they only get shocked at random intervals or is it all the time? You won't feel 50 volts if you touch the wires, but maybe in water you do.

If the poco is not being helpful I would talk with the phone company and see what they say. That's assuming the phone is underground in your area, if it's not then this point is moot.

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Ok guys, the sky is not falling.
just ground everything and see if the problem goea away. it should all be grounded anyway.

There is no need to call in the Nation Guard in on this one.
Actually the coast guard is not a bad idea, they could put their ship in it and they have all sorts of probes they could use to test.
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Ok guys, the sky is not falling.
just ground everything and see if the problem goea away. it should all be grounded anyway.

There is no need to call in the Nation Guard in on this one.
Oh really? REALLY???

You are experienced in these matters are you? Ground everything you say?
I bet you would be one of those who sink a few ground rods thinking that will make everything all better huh?

Yup, no clue, just as I though. Grounding will solve NOTHING in this situation. Bonding may help, but still may not eliminate the whole problem.

I'd bet anything that this problem is not even on site, but that coupled with a hacked up new pool installation is a deadly combination. I think the other professionals here would agree.

No, not the Nat Guard, but someone else qualified.
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and pay him to figure out what to do about it.

on my post. I actually thought I said to find the best electrician around and pay him to figure out what's wrong.


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on my post. I actually thought I said to find the best electrician around and pay him to figure out what's wrong.
Just ignore me. I'm used to a few sites where any personal advertising is verboten and when I come here, I forget that it is allowed under certain terms.

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For a temporary but costly fix you might try a mesh made of Monel or some similar alloy fastened to the pipe and surrounding area, depending on how far away the problem extends.
It does not have to be grounded.
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I really don't know for sure what this would do but the idea of "grounding everything" suggested earelier intrigues me.

What would be the effect of burying a bare #6 copper wire about a foot deep and going around just outside the perimeter of the pool, bonding this to the ground wire (grounding conductor) in the existing power cable back to the panel?

What I had in mind was equalizing any voltage differences in the soil in the vicinity of the pool.

Oh yes, do not energize the cable to the pool until the electrical code violations are fixed.
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