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Old 02-10-2019, 05:50 PM   #1
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No More Power. Can't Figure Out Why.


I've got two recessed lights in my master bath that are on the same circuit. I went to replace the fixture for one of them (shower light) with a flush mounted style that I like more for that location.

Since it was a recessed light to begin with, I used a converter kit to put in the flush mount, which is pretty straightforward work. I got everything installed but when I went to test the light I got nothing. No power to it or the other light on the circuit. I took it back apart, re-did the connections. I went around the house checking gfci, thinking one might need to be re-set, no luck there from all that I could find. Checked the breaker, nothing out of the ordinary from what I could tell. This circuit had just been working prior to me starting the work. I'm not sure if this helps but I've attached a link to the conversion kit, just to get a sense of how simple it is.

Any idea what might be going on here?

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Cont...I even went so far as to hook back up the old lighting set up and still got nothing.
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Go back to the breaker panel. Do you know which breaker specifically is feeding the lights. Toggle it back and forth. Some times they don't look like they have tripped, when actually they have.
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I don't. I should have killed the power at the breaker ( I know, I know) but I just did it at the switch for this. I would have known which breaker it's on if I did.
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I don't. I should have killed the power at the breaker ( I know, I know) but I just did it at the switch for this. I would have known which breaker it's on if I did.
Follow yodaman post above and look at main panel for a tripped breaker (As he mentioned, turn breakers all the way off then back on one at a time) or a tripped gfci somewhere. I know you checked this, but sometimes gfci's are in weird places and can cause this type of issue. Just saying.

Hope you get it figured out soon msch.
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Describe the wiring in the fixture. Tell us the number and kind of cables.

A wire is a wire, a cable is two or more wires in an outer covering. There are 2-wire cables (black white and ground) and 3-wire cables (black, white, red and ground).
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I just tried the breaker again, no luck.

The fixture itself (old) is two wire, white and a black that goes to the ceramic bulb socket. The adapter and new fixture has the same set up. I can see the cable going to the box for the recessed light. Looks like two 14 awg romex in the box.
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It's 14/2 romex. It's not a three way switch.
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A suggestion, did you reuse the old wire nuts from the old assembly?

If so, get new wire nuts, and try again.

I have been called to several DI Y ers goofs, to fix what they could not, all I needed was new wire nuts, and ten minutes.

Are they ever mad when the minimum charge of $75.00, hits them for 50 cents in parts, and ten minutes real work.

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Used new wire nuts
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Pull the switch. There you should find two 2-wire cables. The white wires should be wire nutted together. The black wires should be connected to the switch. Do a voltage check between the blacks and the ground (with switch on). If you have voltage there the breaker is not tripped. If you don't have voltage the breaker is tripped or a GFI is tripper somewhere. If you don't have a volt meter stope by Home Depot or Lowe's and pick up one for about $15.

At the fixture the blacks should be wire nutted together and to the black of the fixture. The white wires should also be wire nutted together and to the white of the fixture.
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Do you have any testers ?
If so what tests have you done ?
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What about a lost neutral?
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There are many good suggestions on this thread for mschmied89

No matter what mschmied89 may think, if it is not a fault with the Breaker at the Panel, the fault is an open-circuit in either the Line, Switched Line or Neutral connection to either the Switch or the Lamp connection(s) - probably caused by his activities.
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Do you have any testers ?
If so what tests have you done ?
You have not answered this question.

However, in a previous post you wrote "I used a voltage tester to determine that it was live."

While "voltage testers" of this ilk may have some use, please forget it for your present problem and obtain a cheap analog multi-meter, such as https://www.amazon.com/Gardner-Bende...ords=analog+mu

Do not be tempted to obtain a Digital Meter.

(You may also need to obtain a long length of wire to connect to a Ground Point.)

Then, use this meter to determine if you have
120 V AC between the Line connected to the input of the switch and any available Ground point.
Then, check that the Switch controls the output Switched Line connection - so that it can be turned On and Off - when tested against the Ground point.

If that is so, check that (when the switch is On) there is 120 V AC at the input to the light fixture.

(The above checks the continuity of the Line and Switched Line connections.)

If so, check at the light fixture that there is 120 V AC detected between the Switched Line and the Neutral connection.

(This checks if the Neutral has continuity back to the Panel - and the supply.)


Somewhere along this trail you will discover the open circuit connection which is the cause of your problem.
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Possibly the socket adapter is not reaching the center contact.

On a seldom occasion I have run into a light bulb that would not reach the center contact tab in the socket. For what ever reason, maybe the tab is bent or warn down, or maybe the male thread assy is a little out of spec. In any case the remedy is simple. Be sure to de-energize first and then lift the center tab up a little with a screw driver.
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