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Old 01-02-2010, 09:18 AM   #31
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Now really how many inspectors look inside the panel. The only time I look in the panel is when the electrician is present. As an inspector I am not allowed to remove the dead front or panel cover .
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Old 01-02-2010, 10:06 AM   #32
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The panel cover should be removed before to inspection .. How else will you be able to verify proper bonding of the panelboard?

This paneboard is one with a split neutral design that is a little different than most where you usually see both terminal bars insulated from the case and ground bars are added for 4 wire feeds to the panel.

The OP's panel has one insulated neutral terminal bar on the right side and one bonded neutral/ground terminal bar on the left side. For 4 wire feeds the main bonding jumper is not connected to the insulated neutral terminal bar. And the bar on the left becomes your case bonded grounding bar and the bar on the right is your isolated neutral bar.

The panel appears to be wired grounding on the left and neutral on the right. What I would like to verify is if the conduit between the meter/main and the panel board is metal like EMT or other listed conduit that can serve as the equipment ground. Reason I ask is the panelbaord is served with SEU which is a 3 conductor cable with no ground. If that panelbaord does not have an equipment ground ran to it and the main bonding jumper is not installed then there is no ground fault protection and would be a huge code violation.

Same with the feeder to the subpanel I only see 3 wires ...so verification of the equipment ground is necessary and also proper bonding in both panelboards.

Here is the OP's panelboard with the wiring taken out of the picture.
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Are you sure about the feeds? It looks like SER feeding the panel and NM running to the sub. If you look to the extreme right, the insulated grounded with the white stripe is visible.

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Are you sure about the feeds? It looks like SER feeding the panel and NM running to the sub. If you look to the extreme right, the insulated grounded with the white stripe is visible.
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I couldn't see that but now that you pointed it out I believe you are correct so all that needs to be verified is the other panel board feeder and main bonding jumpers not installed and proper bonding of the second panelboard.
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I couldn't see that but now that you pointed it out I believe you are correct so all that needs to be verified is the other panel board feeder and main bonding jumpers not installed and proper bonding of the second panelboard.
Yeah, definitely a lot going on in that panel. It looks like everything is right, just sloppy. I would still like to see that red wire nut. It looks like he ran out of holes and combined a few neutrals to a single pigtail. Although, this is the same goofball that ran a 12/3 for a dryer so I wouldn't take anything for granted.
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Yeah, definitely a lot going on in that panel. It looks like everything is right, just sloppy. I would still like to see that red wire nut. It looks like he ran out of holes and combined a few neutrals to a single pigtail. Although, this is the same goofball that ran a 12/3 for a dryer so I wouldn't take anything for granted.
Yes, some more detailed pictures would be nice and a picture of the second panelboard with cover off with be great.
I agree that since it was inspected it probably looks fine and the logic of the wiring seems correct. Just terribly sloppy. I would have opted for a different split neutral design where you added ground bars to both sides of the panel...that way you don't have all that cross over going on.
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Old 01-02-2010, 02:25 PM   #37
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Thanks for taking the photo now we see the whole details beside the subpanel .,,


The main breaker is below the meter socket that is legit as you show us the photo .,

The main panel it look legit but in couple spots I can not able see the bonding strap is hooked up or not otherwise pretty much legit there however a nice head up with 240 volt circuits with some of them are white conductors used for line instead of netural so take a tape or marker and remark them that it.

If you have time to take a photo of subpanel please do that to see where it goes with it.

As for dryer part I will answer in other thread so it don't get crossed over with answers.

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