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Old 07-13-2014, 05:03 PM   #1
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Kitchen, Dining Room, Pantry


Hi all,

I am using the 2009 Virginia Code, which I believe pulls from other codes.

E3703.2 States:

Kitchen and dining area receptacles.

A minimum of two 20-ampere-rated branch circuits shall be provided to
serve all wall and floor receptacle outlets located in the kitchen,
pantry, breakfast area, dining area or similar area of a dwelling.
The kitchen countertop receptacles shall be served by a mini-
mum of two 20-ampere-rated branch circuits, either or both of
which shall also be permitted to supply other receptacle outlets
in the same kitchen, pantry, breakfast and dining area including
receptacle outlets for refrigeration appliances.

This is confusing me. What I do know is that I need at least 2 GFI circuits that supply the counter receptacles in the kitchen.


What I am assuming is:

I can use either of those GFI outlets to supply receptacles in the pantry/breakfast/dining area. (why I would put those loads on that or even be allowed to do so, I'm not sure)

What I don't know is:

Does the dining room by code have to have at least one 20 amp circuit?
Same question for the breakfast area?
Same question for the pantry (still don't know why the pantry is lumped into this except that the pantry is adjacent to the kitchen...maybe I need to think big house here because the pantries I'm used to are small)

What I was planning to do until I saw this section of the code:

-Breakfast area is adjacent to the kitchen and would be on a 15amp circuit that only supplies the breakfast area receptacles/lights and the hallway receptacles/lights
-Dining room is across the hall from the kitchen and it would be on a 20 amp circuit shared with the living room

I believe I am not required by code to have AFCI in these areas. Only in bedrooms for now under the 2009 VA code.

Please let me know if I need to clarify anything.

Thanks in advance.
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Kitchens, pantry's, and dining rooms can share the 2 sabc.
IMO, the reason is the dining room and pantry will have little use.

If you do not use the sabc, then you still need a 20 amp circuit for those areas, and they can not be used anywhere else.
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Thanks for the reply.

The pantry isn't an issue as it is just a closet.

The dining room is across the hall at a diagonal from the kitchen so tying into the kitchen may not be worth it. So I would probably put it on it's own. Although could I put the breakfast area on it too?

The breakfast area however is right next to the kitchen. Will it need a dedicated 20A if I don't tie it into the kitchen?
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The breakfast area however is right next to the kitchen. Will it need a dedicated 20A if I don't tie it into the kitchen?
it either needs its own 20A circuit or needs to be tied into one from the kitchen or dining room.
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Your counter tops need 2 circuits. and one or both of those circuits can also feed the dining or pantry. The goal is to have 2 circuits at the counter top since the bulk of power consumption happens here.

I also highly recommend the fridge be on its own circuit, 15 amps is ok. Yes I know code doesnt ask for it specifically but manufacturers instructions often recommend it. And yes I know some sparkys will say they rarelly do it but if this is your own home its a no brainer.

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Thank you all.

A follow up question, for tying into the kitchen, do I have to use the GFI outlets that are on the countertops, or the 20 amp wall receptacle outlet circuit?
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The counter top receptacles need to be GFCI protected, they do not need to be 20 amp receptacles and the dining rooms do not need to be gfci protected.
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jbfan, I believe that the kitchen countertop outlets need to be 20A, GFI

I have attached an image of the plans.

I would like to do

(2) 20A GFI circuits for kitchen countertops
(1) 20A non-GFI wall receptacle circuit for kitchen/range fan hood/mudroom with pantry closet/breakfast area
(1) 15A dedicated refrigerator circuit
(1) 20A non-GFI wall receptacle circuit for dining room…..
(1) 15 amp for lights in mudroom/kitchen/breakfast area/living room/dining room

I would like to tie the dining room and family room into (1) 20A circuit
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The GFI does not need to be 20 nor do you need 20 amp duplex receptacles.
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The GFI does not need to be 20 nor do you need 20 amp duplex receptacles.
How can we get by with a 15 amp ground fault circuit interrupter when the circuit needs to be 20 amps? (Or are we talking about more than one GFCI, at different receptacle locations, some daisy chained without using the load side terminals?)
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"The kitchen countertop receptacles shall be served by a mini-
mum of two 20-ampere-rated branch circuits, either or both of
which shall also be permitted to supply other receptacle outlets
in the same kitchen, pantry, breakfast and dining area including
receptacle outlets for refrigeration appliances."

The way I read this is that I need two 20A branch circuits for the countertop.

I am not planning on using duplex receptacles.

Am I missing something?
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"The kitchen countertop receptacles shall be served by a mini-
mum of two 20-ampere-rated branch circuits, either or both of
which shall also be permitted to supply other receptacle outlets
in the same kitchen, pantry, breakfast and dining area including
receptacle outlets for refrigeration appliances."

The way I read this is that I need two 20A branch circuits for the countertop.

I am not planning on using duplex receptacles.

Am I missing something?
You are confusing the circuit with the outlet (receptacle). The circuit must be fed from a 20 amp breaker with #12 wiring but the receptacles only need to be rated for 15 amps.
15 amp receptacles are rated for 20 amp pass through. The GFCI can be provide by the breaker or the first receptacle in the circuit.
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OK. I hadn't even considered the actual outlets so I understand what I am missing.

Regarding my proposed plans, am I ok as I have laid out (from the standpoint of current)
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The GFI does not need to be 20 nor do you need 20 amp duplex receptacles.
How can we get by with a 15 amp ground fault circuit interrupter when the circuit needs to be 20 amps? (Or are we talking about more than one GFCI, at different receptacle locations, some daisy chained using line side terminals only?)

Where is it stated that 20 amp circuits over and above the required two serving the kitchen may not extend from other rooms to serve receptacles in the dining room and pantry area?
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How can we get by with a 15 amp ground fault circuit interrupter when the circuit needs to be 20 amps? (Or are we talking about more than one GFCI, at different receptacle locations, some daisy chained using line side terminals only?)
A 15 amp GFI is still rated for 20 amp feed through. The difference is the slot configuration.

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Where is it stated that 20 amp circuits over and above the required two serving the kitchen may not extend from other rooms to serve receptacles in the dining room and pantry area?
The code allows the dining, pantry to be fed from the SABC in the kitchen. If you installed a 3rd SABC many would apply the same rules as for the required two SABC.
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