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Old 01-29-2010, 07:53 AM   #91
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This tells me that you have decided that jb weld is securely fastened and an inspector cannot turn you down... if he does he is incorrect. All this exaggeration about hanging from the box determines securely fastened has me chuckling. It will get a chuckle from your inspector but I've never known a 'glued' on electrical box to a round support pole to ever pass but then I have never seen a professional jb weld a electrical box to anything...
For what it's worth, the post is NOT round, it is square. I have a flat surface I'm working with.

I'll admit that I don't think I'm going to "hang" from the box in-front of the inspector. If I need to demonstrait the ability for it to support my weight, I can loop some cord over it to make something like a sturup. But it is no exaggeration that the 4x4 j-boxes are currently supporting my weight, at least for the length of time my fingers could stand to hold on.
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For what it's worth, the post is NOT round, it is square. I have a flat surface I'm working with.

I'll admit that I don't think I'm going to "hang" from the box in-front of the inspector. If I need to demonstrate the ability for it to support my weight, I can loop some cord over it to make something like a sturup. But it is no exaggeration that the 4x4 j-boxes are currently supporting my weight, at least for the length of time my fingers could stand to hold on.
Your not going to need to demonstrate anything for the inspector as far as securely fastened. He will take one look and likely will make up his mind very quickly. I thought you were putting the box on a round post but the shape of the post is irrelevant. Bottom line is we are discussing a rather insignificant issue. If the box comes loose from the post your probably going to end up changing your fastening method. No electrical safety hazard is going to be likely. After all there are situations where you are not required to securely fasten an electrical box..such as pendants hung from ceilings. So basically we are just hashing around the idea of fastening an electrical box with jb weld and how an inspector will view it as far as an acceptable means to meet securely fastened in the NEC. You feel jb weld is securely fastening your electrical box so you just have to wait and see if the inspector feels the same. He might or he might not or he might say I'll pass it but shoot a tech screw just to make sure.
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Your not going to need to demonstrate anything for the inspector as far as securely fastened. He will take one look and likely will make up his mind very quickly. I thought you were putting the box on a round post but the shape of the post is irrelevant. Bottom line is we are discussing a rather insignificant issue. If the box comes loose from the post your probably going to end up changing your fastening method. No electrical safety hazard is going to be likely. After all there are situations where you are not required to securely fasten an electrical box..such as pendants hung from ceilings. So basically we are just hashing around the idea of fastening an electrical box with jb weld and how an inspector will view it as far as an acceptable means to meet securely fastened in the NEC. You feel jb weld is securely fastening your electrical box so you just have to wait and see if the inspector feels the same. He might or he might not or he might say I'll pass it but shoot a tech screw just to make sure.


Now I finally feel like someone is starting to understand me.
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Now I finally feel like someone is starting to understand me.
Lets don't get carried away ....
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Lets don't get carried away ....
I'm not suggesting you agree with me... just that you seem to understand my point of view.

By contrast, I don't understand those that have jumped to the conclusion (in this or other posts) that I'm doing shoddy work, taking short cuts, or that I'm going to argue with an inspector just because I haven't heeded their advice in this situation.

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By contrast, I don't understand those that have jumped to the conclusion that I'm... taking short cuts....
Slapping on some 2-part epoxy is not a short cut for running screws into the beam? Seems like the "easy way out" (aka shortcut) to me?
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Slapping on some 2-part epoxy is not a short cut for running screws into the beam? Seems like the "easy way out" (aka shortcut) to me?

I though we've covered this already.
And I resent the connotation of calling the work I've done "slapping on" epoxy.
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I'm not suggesting you agree with me... just that you seem to understand my point of view.

By contrast, I don't understand those that have jumped to the conclusion (in this or other posts) that I'm doing shoddy work, taking short cuts, or that I'm going to argue with an inspector just because I haven't heeded their advice in this situation.
What I understand is this ... you want to test the waters to see if your jb weld will pass inspection because you believe JB Weld is code compliant as a means to securely fasten the box to the post. You are familiar with using JBWeld .. not familiar with other methods suggested by electricians here that will be code compliant. In my area if you fail inspection you must pay 50$ for the re-inspection. So basically you are wanting to satisfy your belief that JB Weld will pass inspection rather than use known acceptable methods which you are not comfortable with doing. No?

The only way this discussion can be settled is to have the inspection and see if it is accepted. I don't think anybody really wins one way or the other. My opinion is your method vs mine are not equal in quality of workmanship but one will pass and the other may pass an inspection.

BTW .. I really appreciate someone who has skill with JB Weld I usually get the crap all over me and whatever else I'm trying bond with the stuff.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:01 PM   #99
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Now I finally feel like someone is starting to understand me.
I "understood you" long ago but that does not mean the inspector will agree with you and that is the only thing that matters.

so, with that said; let us know what the inspector says and in all fairness, even he does not notice you have glued the boxes to the posts, you have to show him so we can actually get his response.

believe it or not, that action of making sure he notices may actually look good in his eyes as he might see it as you wanting to make sure anything questionable is either right or gets corrected. Kind of like in the beginning when I said do not make intentional errors to try to make him feel good that he caught something rather it will make him be more suspect of other work.

this way, he would probable ask if there was anything else you had a question or concern about that maybe he should see.
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believe it or not, that action of making sure he notices may actually look good in his eyes as he might see it as you wanting to make sure anything questionable is either right or gets corrected.
That's been my plan and the exact attitude I've taken.

When I went for an initial meeting with the inspector, to determine just what work I could and could not do, I took along pictures of my http://www.diychatroom.com/f18/unort...b-panel-62937/ knowing that it was problamatic (I've learned a lot about electrical codes since I put that together). I didn't try to hide anything, but was simply upfront with what I had and asked his input on what I need to do to correct it.

Which reminds me, I need some advice regarding the http://www.diychatroom.com/f18/short...32/#post391293 that is in the circuits associated with that sub-panel.
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$ Self taping screws < $ JB Weld.
first off. It's "Self-tapping" As opposed to "Taping". Secondly, the issue is not how strong the impact survivability (of the box) must be. It's the acceptable standard that counts in electrical installation. In other words, if I came up with some rigged way (not wanting to use the word "crazy") to secure a box, it will still not be accepted. Because it's not the standard method. !
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Wow! 102 posts about this deal with JB WELD ... I think the OP should contact the company for a testimonial.....
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...In other words, if I came up with some rigged way ... to secure a box, it will still not be accepted. Because it's not the standard method. !
Technically speaking, isn't that enforcing your own standard as opposed to enforcing code? After all, the code says "securely fastened", not "fastened in the standard way". By implication, that would mean you wouldn't allow for inovation, that there can't be any new way to do something.

Now as one of the previous posters argued: "Sure it secure today, but what about 5 years from now when the room has been exposed to several thermal cycles, is it going to still be secure then" (or words to that effect).

In other words, you shouldn't turn it down just because it's "not standard", because I don't think that is what code says or implys.

Now by contrast, if you want to say that some given method is "not proven", then you've left no room for argument... unless scientific studies can be referenced to prove to the contrary (which I can't in the case of J-B Weld).

Not making any arguement for or against J-B Weld with this post, just pointing out what might be a minor mistake of symantics. Basically, while "Standard" equals "Proven", that "Not Standard" does not equal "not proven".
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an inspector can turn it down with that justification. Like it or not, it is within their authority.
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Not going to comment on using JB Weld since others have & I agree w/ them, but "handy" boxes are a "hallmark" of a DIY job & they suck! If one seems to feel the need to use them I suggest laying ones hands on a anvil & have someone smack each finger HARD 10 times w/ a 5# hammer, if one still feels the need to use them then go right ahead.....

It is a rare occurrence when those boxes are the best choice for the job,very rare.

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