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Old 02-02-2010, 09:23 PM   #136
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The copyright on the NEC has been ruled invalid in court because you can't copyright laws. So you can get the NEC by downloading the laws of any place that has adopted it.

You can download all the building codes you want here:

http://ftp.resource.org/codes.gov/
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Old 02-02-2010, 09:24 PM   #137
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for just a code book it is way too much but Dave said he bought the handbook. I paid $51 for my 05 so yes, if he had bought just the NEC book, he over paid.

here is from Amazon. $67 and they have other from other vendors as low as $55 for a new 05 NEC.

http://www.amazon.com/National-Elect...5166636&sr=1-1

so, there is your get rich scheme sparky. Buy up a bunch at $55. Sell them for $75-$80. Do that 1000 times and you have $20,000.
Yes. I know. All those bargains, Two-Fer deals landed me in the poorhouse!
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Old 02-02-2010, 09:28 PM   #138
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The continual argument and negative behavior on this thread is a shame.

The horse is dead. Let's quit beating it please.
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Old 02-02-2010, 09:32 PM   #139
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The continual argument and negative behavior on this thread is a shame.

The horse is dead. Let's quit beating it please.
we're branching out KC. We are on to copyright law now.
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we're branching out KC. We are on to copyright law now.
I thought we weren't doing that again ?
Does that mean Taps is next



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The copyright on the NEC has been ruled invalid in court because you can't copyright laws. So you can get the NEC by downloading the laws of any place that has adopted it.

You can download all the building codes you want here:

http://ftp.resource.org/codes.gov/
I have tried multiple times and have never been able to get any of the electrical codes to download.
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Old 02-02-2010, 09:39 PM   #142
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The codes aren't free. You might get online snippets here and there, but the NFPA is in the business of selling code books. So is the ICC, etc. If there's a full download out there for free, it is almost certainly illegally posted.
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Old 02-02-2010, 09:42 PM   #143
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The copyright on the NEC has been ruled invalid in court because you can't copyright laws. So you can get the NEC by downloading the laws of any place that has adopted it.

You can download all the building codes you want here:

http://ftp.resource.org/codes.gov/
Oh, and that ruling was only in the Federal 5th district ONLY. It does not apply to any other federal district.

and you really must realize that the NFPA is not copyrighting law, the government is illegally copying the previously copyright protected NFPA literature. The NFPA does not write laws, they right a book of rules that the government chooses to accept as their codes (law). Just because the government takes that (steals) from the NFPA and does a copy and paste into the law books (which, btw, is expressly forbidden by the NFPA licensing agreement) does not make it legal.

the government is really really wrong on this position.
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The codes aren't free. You might get online snippets here and there, but the NFPA is in the business of selling code books. So is the ICC, etc. If there's a full download out there for free, it is almost certainly illegally posted.
not if it is in the 5th Fed district. They actually did make that (asinine) ruling.
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we're branching out KC. We are on to copyright law now.
Let's put a positive spin on. I once posted that this forum tackles all issues except for Law and Medicine. I take it back. We are tackling Law. Insurance, Contract and Copyright Law. Now it's the turn of Medicine! JUST KIDDING!!!
This a DIY Forum. But with a grain of Salt and a BIG Smile!
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[quote=spark plug;393775] Now it's the turn of Medicine! [/ quote]

Did you know JB Weld produces toxic vapors when used in proximity of 110v household current?

(just kidding)
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Now it's the turn of Medicine! [/ quote]

Did you know JB Weld produces toxic vapors when used in proximity of 110v household current?

(just kidding)
But applying it (J-B Weld) in unventilated rooms and basements DEFINITELY poses a Health Hazard. And I'm not kidding, this time!! (There we go for Medicine (including your post)!
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No problem....its was moved to Mod area for now
Sounds fair, thanks for the update.

Options for a code book are 2ND hand book stores, even if it not the "latest" it is better than none and it may be the version the local jurisdiction is using or, God forbid, the public library.
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Options for a code book are 2ND hand book stores, even if it not the "latest" it is better than none and it may be the version the local jurisdiction is using or, God forbid, the public library.
And, they're always available for public view/use at the local AHJ (the city, county, etc.). The code requires that copies be available for people to look at. Libraries also have them. Whenever in doubt, the best idea is to contact the inspector prior to doing work that may or may not meet code, which include's that inspector's approval of things that fall into gray areas.
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you got ripped man. I paid $51.


https://www.nfpa.org/catalog/service...%3Fid%3D7008SB
hooku, they are available from the copyright holder at the NFPA website

(please, let's stay away from the copyright argument)
Nap,

I see what you mean... I didn't intend to open a can of worms.
Now I understand why I was mistaken about this subject (or was I).
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