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Old 04-27-2019, 01:25 AM   #16
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I bought some foam outlet sealers by Duck. The price was only $1.98 for over 20 so it made me nervous. They are UL listed, fire-retardant & made in USA.

I found an outlet behind the bed. It has a blank outlet cover, whatever it's called. It was loose & may be the main source of the bad air. The main outlet in use is about 5 feet away.

The outlet has two bare wires with no caps. Smell is much better but aren't bare wires a code issue?

dmxtothemax, I'd still like to know about the spray.
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Spray what?
He might mean Spray foam insulation in a can.

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The outlet has two bare wires with no caps. Smell is much better but aren't bare wires a code issue?
Not if they have wire nuts on their ends.

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take the outlet off the wall

spray inside the wall around the outlet
best if you spray all the way around
you dont have to fill the j box
just create a sealed circle
the outlet then sits in that sealed circle
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He might mean Spray foam insulation in a can.

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Nik333: They make fire-rated spray foam... Here's a link: https://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-12-oz...Foam/203281270

But I don't think it's intended to be used inside a small junction box. That will end up being a mess.
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Not if they have wire nuts on their ends.
They have only bare wire on the ends. But, someone told me before that they would need to cross wires to be a hazard? They are probably touching the foam, now.

It seems like something a child could easily get into with a loose outlet cover.
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Nik333: They make fire-rated spray foam... Here's a link: https://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-12-oz...Foam/203281270

But I don't think it's intended to be used inside a small junction box. That will end up being a mess.
Canít use foam in a box in Canada. Iíd be surprised if the NEC didnít have a similar code.

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2) Thermal insulation material shall not be sprayed or otherwise introduced into the interior of outlet boxes, junction boxes, or enclosures for other electrical equipment.
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canít use foam in a box in canada. Iíd be surprised if the nec didnít have a similar code.

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2) thermal insulation material shall not be sprayed or otherwise introduced into the interior of outlet boxes, junction boxes, or enclosures for other electrical equipment.
nec 110.12 (c) ?
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They have only bare wire on the ends. But, someone told me before that they would need to cross wires to be a hazard? They are probably touching the foam, now.

It seems like something a child could easily get into with a loose outlet cover.
Put wire nuts on the bare wires.. problem solved.
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Canít use foam in a box in Canada. Iíd be surprised if the NEC didnít have a similar code.

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2) Thermal insulation material shall not be sprayed or otherwise introduced into the interior of outlet boxes, junction boxes, or enclosures for other electrical equipment.
Was not saying to foam in the box.

Said to foam, in a circle around the box, through the spaces next the box, and maybe the empty knockouts in the box.

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It's not your property therefore, you assume liability if you touch/remove the outlet.

You could share this method with your landlord or building super...

They sell insulating gaskets that are installed behind faceplates - check Home Depot.
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Not if they have wire nuts on their ends.

Nik333: They make fire-rated spray foam... Here's a link: https://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-12-oz...Foam/203281270

But I don't think it's intended to be used inside a small junction box. That will end up being a mess.
I question the "fire rated spray foam" statement. It orange which generally means its a draft stopper.

It's not designed to stop flames/fire, it's designed to stop a draft in a stud bay to keep that draft from sucking flame into the stud bay.

I've tested a couple of the other orange fire block foams after seeing videos of one of the products. The dried foam ignites easily and burns well. Too well to risk putting it in or around an electrical box.

Red is the color for true fire barrier products. They are usually in a caulk or putty form.
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It's not your property therefore, you assume liability if you touch/remove the outlet.

You could share this method with your landlord or building super...

They sell insulating gaskets that are installed behind faceplates - check Home Depot.
The landlord doesn't care. It's a bad situation. I complained to him about the gas heater until I called PG&E & he told me to get out once he read it. I would never normally stay here. I don't know what is with the landlord. There're a lot of drugs here. If he sued me I could sue for 6 wks of CO.

They now have smoke alarms & CO detectors in the rooms because I told the city. Don't tell on me.

I'm not doing anything to the outlet except the insulators & maybe wire nuts.

Isn't it a better idea to turn off electricity before putting wire nuts? I can ask the GC.

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Yes , shut off at the breaker, fuse, or something, before trying to wirenut those, it won't kill you, but sure will make you hurt yourself, by recoiling from it.

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Turn the air purifier / fan around 180ļ ?
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never mind...
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Turn the air purifier / fan around 180ļ ?
Thanks, but it's still strong enough to pull air. It even drops the barometric pressure reading in the room. Even outside woodsmoke is drawn in. Ironic. I had to turn it off during the worst wildfires & neighbor's fires. I'm not sure why the pull of the intake is greater than the output. Maybe going thru the two filters decreases it?


The "Socket Sealers" (insulating foam seals like those pictured by others) from Walmart are working. $1.98!
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