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Old 12-18-2009, 08:31 PM   #16
 
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It is not a safe or legal installation that meets code
Was this inspected ?
Call your local building Inspector out & have them take a look
Only by my electrician. Bear in mind that my generator cannot "accidently" be turned on. It is not an automatic generator. Can you please help me understand how electricity can "backfeed" through a closed main switch. I am trying to understand this so I can make sure the next installation is necessary and correct.
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:34 PM   #17
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Are you out in the middle of nowhere ?
No one else is ever at your house ?
No one allowed in your house ?
Never possible anyone could turn that main breaker back on while the Gen is running ?
Never possible that main breaker could fail & stay connected ?

In every case where a death occurs the homeowner never thought it could happen



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"Never connect your generator to your home’s electrical system without a transfer switch or switching off the main circuit breaker to your house."

This is a quote from instructions on how to properly hook up a generator to your house. Can you see how confusing this is? Who is right?
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It's not confusing at all when you pull the proper permits & have it inspected by someone who knows what they are doing

The fact that a Mfg does not know NEC code or their instruction manual is not written by a competent electrician does not change the facts
This setup plugs in at the meter & is semi-automatic or completely automatic with an automatic generator





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Are you out in the middle of nowhere ?
No one else is ever at your house ?
No one allowed in your house ?
Never possible anyone could turn that main breaker back on while the Gen is running ?
Never possible that main breaker could fail & stay connected ?

In every case where a death occurs the homeowner never thought it could happen
I have used my generator three times in the last 13 years for power outages. My breaker box is three years old. It could fail, but so could a transfer switch, right? I will get another electrician to look at it. But, to answer your question about someone else monkeying with my power box.....NO !!!
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:44 PM   #21
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"Never connect your generator to your home’s electrical system without a transfer switch or switching off the main circuit breaker to your house."

This is a quote from instructions on how to properly hook up a generator to your house. Can you see how confusing this is? Who is right?
First off, your "electrician" was a hack and a fraud!
NO self-respecting electrician would EVER walk away from an illegal installation like yours.

You need a physical/mechanical way of preventing the main from being turned back on while under generator power. It is not a case of the power magically backfeeding through the "turned-off" main breaker.
A main breaker interlock is the simplest way of achieving this.
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So its not possible at all?

My wife won't touch the breaker box
But I can guarantee you that if the power comes back on & a friend was over its VERY possible that person could turn the main breaker back on

If you are saying its not possible then you are not admitting the truth
Its never a problem until you actually kill someone

And it only takes one time



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Huh? Please provide this strange connection you are suggesting that is listed in the Code. A transfer switch is the way to go.
Bob, why the attitude with Scuba? He is correct. There is more than one safe and legal way to do an installation like this. A transfer switch is not the way to go. It is ONE way to go.

Google "main breaker interlock". You'll get all the info you need. It's not exactly what most of us would call strange either.
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The idea behind any legal generator hookup is that it must be physically impossible to backfeed the utility.

If the main and generator breaker are mechanically interlocked so they cannot possibly both be on at the same time, then it's a legal installation. A transfer switch does this by its very nature. Mechanical breaker interlocks are available for some installations.

If there is any possibility that they can both be on, the installation is not legal.

Turning one breaker off before turning the other on does not constitute an interlock. It is possible (even if highly unlikely) that they could both be on at the same time, thus the code issue.

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Go to www.interlockkit.com they bolt to your panel cover so your main cant be on if the generator breaker is on..
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They are lucky...in some cases (states ?) they can be charged with manslaughter is my understanding
Okay guys- As I stated before, I rarely use this generator and don't know when I will use it again. In light of the fact that my primarly concern is to not kill someone, I think I can use the system as it is set up and have a failsafe way of ensuring no one dies. Not only will I switch off the main breaker, but I will also remove the meter. Is that failsafe enough?
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Okay guys- As I stated before, I rarely use this generator and don't know when I will use it again. In light of the fact that my primarly concern is to not kill someone, I think I can use the system as it is set up and have a failsafe way of ensuring no one dies. Not only will I switch off the main breaker, but I will also remove the meter. Is that failsafe enough?

Might get you in trouble from the POCO.
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Arc flash comes to mind when you try to put it back when the power is on
And yeah the POCO may very well fine you & charge you more

Mircomind stated it the best:

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The idea behind any legal generator hookup is that it must be physically impossible to backfeed the utility
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So its not possible at all?

My wife won't touch the breaker box
But I can guarantee you that if the power comes back on & a friend was over its VERY possible that person could turn the main breaker back on

If you are saying its not possible then you are not admitting the truth
Its never a problem until you actually kill someone

And it only takes one time
Anything is possible, Dave. You might win the lottery. Let's get down to brass tacks here and quit beating around the bush. If I throw the main breaker switch, remove the meter and put a lock on my breaker box, would that be enough to satisfy your "what ifs and couldas".
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The interlock kit seems to be perfect for me. I will get one installed ASAP.
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