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Old 01-10-2010, 06:30 PM   #31
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Disingenuous? Sorry I don't understand everything that you all are saying. I came to this form for information. I would like to find out the problem with my GCFI. I think alot, not all, of you just like to blow your own horns and I feel some of you are the disingenous ones.
OK. I'll take back the part about disingenuity. It may have been too harsh. What tripped me out was the sound of desperation (a/o despair) in your post.! As far as the heater tripping out the GFCI receptacle, only in the snows, I'm certain that there is moisture reaching the circuit at some point, in spite of using "in-use" waterproof covers. Possibly, someone touching the cord or heater at some point. I've had the GFCI recept. trip out after a shower, where there was moisture in the bathroom!
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Old 01-10-2010, 06:41 PM   #32
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I'm still not sure what you were saying

#1 We have had posters make as many as 5 different threads in different parts of this web-site with the exact same question in each thread
They aren't trying to hide anything, they are trying to get an answer
Making such an accusation as you did is complety without basis

#2 The heater in question is made for use in a pond
So why say it will cause the GFCI to trip?
A defective device will cause a GFCI to trip
She has tried 2 different heaters with the same result

Since it worked fine without snow it seems that water is leaking/has leaked in somewhere & causing the short
But I do not believe the heaters are causing the issue



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Old 01-10-2010, 07:10 PM   #33
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Lets see cord-plug-connected heater, with extension cord, pluged into a GFCI that works with other items plugged into it. Sounds like moisture is getting in somewhere.

Would suspect at the plug connections. Are all of your plugs male and female molded plugs. If not that would be a possible place. You would need to make sure the connections are absolutely dry.
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Old 01-10-2010, 08:39 PM   #34
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Scuba Dave (Poster #32) 1) I retracted the accusation, which may have been a hasty judgment;
2) I pointed out (in a later post) that, since the trouble (with the heater) started after the snow, it is only more proof that moisture is somehow getting past the frame and causing conductivity (leakage current).
3) I stated that there is a possibility that the cord, --even though an "In Use" cover is used-- picks up moisture and causes the GFCI to trip. Again, I apologize for a hasty judgment. And we all know that the goal of this website is to help each other through an exchange of ideas and opinions!!
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Old 01-11-2010, 01:18 AM   #35
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Let me aproch at diffrent angle if you please bear with moi.,,

I know you say it did trip once it snow come down.

Now that got me thinking I think we may miss or overlook one more items I do not know if one of us did address that already or not but any chance did you check the GFCI receptale cover to see the gasket between the Junction box and the cover some case if you get rain water or snow get into it can cause the GFCI to malfuction.

The other thing if you have older GFCI receptale it may be senstive to tripping if this is a delactied { it own } circuit I will more lean toward to bad GFCI or gasket behind the cover one of the two.

So try check the cover to see if gasket is missing or cracked or broken and see the junction box if any water is there allready or not.

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Spark Plug - the sound of dispare is because I only have a short period of time to fix this because I have about $500.00 worth of Koi that will die if I can't get it repaired soon!!
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Spark Plug - the sound of dispare is because I only have a short period of time to fix this because I have about $500.00 worth of Koi that will die if I can't get it repaired soon!!
I dont know but i thought Koi went into a kind of hibernation in winter?
I do realise you have colder weather up there.

I dont know what is causing your problem, however you could use you present rec box as a junction point and add you a new Receptacle no closer than 5' of your pond and take the extension cord out of the equasion, Make sure your new rec is 12" above the highest water level.


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I've used 16, 14, & 12. All are for outdoor use and one is certified to -45. The out let is under my deck protected from the elements and has a weather protective cover.
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Spark Plug - the sound of dispare is because I only have a short period of time to fix this because I have about $500.00 worth of Koi that will die if I can't get it repaired soon!!
Not helping us solve your problem. Answer some of the questions that have been asked.
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I've used 16, 14, & 12. All are for outdoor use and one is certified to -45. The out let is under my deck protected from the elements and has a weather protective cover.
Can you post some pictures ?
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Please forgive if you have already gone over this
Just trying to put it all together

You have 1 or 2 GFCI circuits 6' from the pond ?
Are you sure you have 2 circuits & they are not both on the same circuit ?

Need to eliminate the possible issues

Did you buy the 2 heaters from the same store ?
What wattage are the heaters ?
What Mfg & model heater
Same question with the extension cords
What gauge are the extensions cords & length (OK 16,14 & 12)
Possible they are from the same batch number & defective
Test both of these inside the house, say on the bathroom GFCI (in sink)
--use an axe (do not cut close to cord) or boiling hot water to get them out

If they both trip this GFCI - problem with heaters
Are you plugging the heater in with the aerator running?
Try unplugging the aerator & try the heater

If not test both again with the extension cords
If they trip - problem with extension cord(s)

If not - most likely a problem with your outside GFCI

How far is the distance from the panel to the GFCI outside ?
What size breaker, new or old breaker (20a breaker you indicated)



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The Koi need an open hole for even oxygen exchange and let out toxins in the water. Presently the aereator is giving them oxygen but there is no opening for the toxins to escape. So it is just a matter of time......
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What questions haven't I answered? Will try to get pictures tommorrow.
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Panel is in the basement with breakers. The GCFI is under my outside deck, protected from snow.
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What questions haven't I answered? Will try to get pictures tommorrow.
Just want to try and see what we are missing. Sorry to inpose.
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