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Old 03-16-2010, 10:02 PM   #16
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I agree with you 100%. But, assuming the work is left to experts. The rest IS semantics. (One of my hobbies, as you can see in my profile.)!
Etymology...awesome.
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:05 PM   #17
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NO NO NO

it is attached to the equipment grounding conductor. the EGC is the term the NEC uses and we should not attempt to alter that.
Again...this assumes the NEC uses correct terminology.
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What happened? I think a moderator started a new discussion thread. Is this common and usual? My apologies if we drifted off target from the original conversation.
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:15 PM   #19
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Again...this assumes the NEC uses correct terminology.
since we are required to abide by the NEC, it matters not if you believe they use the correct terminology or not, it is the terminology that is customary and accepted and the terminology used in the NEC.
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since we are required to abide by the NEC, it matters not if you believe they use the correct terminology or not, it is the terminology that is customary and accepted and the terminology used in the NEC.
I think you just set the world record for most uses of the word "terminology" in one sentence.

I agree, by the way.
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:27 PM   #21
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since we are required to abide by the NEC, it matters not if you believe they use the correct terminology or not, it is the terminology that is customary and accepted and the terminology used in the NEC.
Sadly, its not a matter of belief, its a matter of fact. In branch circuits, the bare or green conductor physically bond the equipment to the 'neutral' bus bar at the main service panel. That is their sole and intended purpose, no matter what they are called.
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Sadly, its not a matter of belief, its a matter of fact. In branch circuits, the bare or green conductor physically bond the equipment to the 'neutral' bus bar at the main service panel. That is their sole and intended purpose, no matter what they are called.
then quit worrying about what they are called and call them what everybody else calls them so everybody knows what is being talked about.
and actually, no, that is not their only intended purpose. They are grounded for a reason as well.
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then quit worrying about what they are called and call them what everybody else calls them so everybody knows what is being talked about.
and actually, no, that is not their only intended purpose. They are grounded for a reason as well.
Guess its a flaw I have...can't call something its not. And yes, the green/bare conductors in branch circuits are ultimately connected to the earth, but their purpose is not to connect equipment to earth, their purpose is to connect equipment to the source of the electricity.

I'm tired...Good night, Nap.
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Guess its a flaw I have...can't call something its not. And yes, the green/bare conductors in branch circuits are ultimately connected to the earth, but their purpose is not to connect equipment to earth, their purpose is to connect equipment to the source of the electricity.

I'm tired...Good night, Nap.
they also are connected to ground (earth) for a reason. It is not just by chance they are connected to earth ground. There absolutely is a reason for it and you not realizing it just shows you do not know quite as much as you think you do.
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:41 AM   #25
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Ok fellows - fears realized. Cause I now have no freakin idea how or why what is what. Sigh. I guess this is why I can say that I can install electrical work to code, but I am NO electrician.
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Another thing to consider is that the U.S. is not the only country in the world. And the Internet as well as this forum can be used by anyone anywhere...

...and other countries use the terms "Earth" and "Earthing"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthing_system

IEC...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...cal_Commission
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This assumes that the NEC is written using correct terminology. I agree...it is semantical.
Yes. As a matter of fact, the NEC makes a distinction between GROUNDED and GROUNDING (when referring to conductors.) (I'm putting a serious face , because it is so (in the NEC)! Also, the ultimate symbol of confusion!
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Another thing to consider is that the U.S. is not the only country in the world. And the Internet as well as this forum can be used by anyone anywhere...

...and other countries use the terms "Earth" and "Earthing"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthing_system

IEC...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...cal_Commission
Yes. Britain and Australia. I can cite more examples of using the same terms with different meaning. But this is a DIY forum and not a Language forum. But the NEC rules in the USA and nowhere else. Conversely, There's a movement (an effort ) to make a universal Electrical Code rule in the USA. But some major (I will not cal them Powerful) organizations, like NECA (National Electrical Contractors Association) are in the forefront of resisting the effort.!
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NO NO NO

it is attached to the equipment grounding conductor. the EGC is the term the NEC uses and we should not attempt to alter that.
Exactly my point. That's why I suggested the work be left to experts. They will use the right terminology and will not confuse "Grounding" with "Bonding".
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the thing is, it isn't that jlmran is truly wrong. It's just that he wants to change terminology that has been utilized and accepted the way it is for many years.



what word or name is used is really irrelevant as long as all those involved understand what the term refers to. The wire still does the same thin regardless what you call it.

especially since this is a DIY site, I just believe if he wants to go and try to change the terminology, he is simply going to confuse people that have heard the correct term elsewhere and then when they come and hear him, they may be told the exact same thing but by using different terms, they won't realize that.

electrical work has enough inherent hazards. There is no need to intentionally confuse anybody.
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