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Old 12-19-2015, 02:57 PM   #1
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Basement Sub-kitchen build


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i am building my basement and am putting in a sub-kitchen... not a real kitchen, but more like a cabinet wet-bar area using kitchen cabinets.

I plan on putting in a small wine fridge at the very least, maybe a fridge for a keg. I am also roughing in a plug for a standard fridge for beer. no stoves or dishwashers. i will have outlets for small appliances too (popcorn maker, small microwave, maybe)

right now i have used 15amp outlets, using 14 gauge wire. Should i be using 20amp outlets and 12 gauge, like my proper kitchen?
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All outlets, no matter where they are, should be rated for 20 amps.
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All outlets, no matter where they are, should be rated for 20 amps.
Not really, 15 amp duplex receptacles are fine for both 15 & 20 amp circuits.
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Install 2 20 amp circuits with 15 amp GFCI receptacles for the counter top circuits and the fridg(s). Use the 15 amp circuit for the lighting. Depending on the NEC code cycle in your area you may need AFCI also.
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OP is in Canada. Must use 20 amp receptacles or GFCIs (T-slot) on 20 amp circuits.
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OP is in Canada. Must use 20 amp receptacles or GFCIs (T-slot) on 20 amp circuits.
That's the problem using Taptalk, you don't see the posters location.
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cool 20amp and 12 gauge
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Amitabh,



ignore my previous comments. Canada use the CEC not the NEC.
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I don't think that meets the definition of a kitchen!!!
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Short answer is YES. A wet bar needs the same counter receptacles as a kitchen. Those need to be either 15 amp splits or 20 amp and if within 1.5 meters of the sink they need GFCI.
here is some info from the ESA site

Fridges need dedicated receptacles so you need one for the full size fridge and possibly one for each mini fridge.

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Does a receptacle for a bar mini-fridge require a separate circuit?
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No, provided the receptacle is in a location that will accommodate a mini-fridge but not a full sized refrigerator. An example of such a space would be below a bar counter surface.

If the space will accommodate a full size refrigerator then a separate circuit is required.

Note: A mini fridge is defined as any refrigerator of less than 5.5 Cu ft capacity. The term mini fridge also includes the terms under counter fridge, bar fridge, wine cooler or chiller, beer or keg cooler, or other similar terms.

Rule 26-720.

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My electrician has installed 20 amp rated receptacles at the kitchen counter work areas in my new home. I thought kitchen counter outlets had to be 15 amp rated and connected to a split circuit. Is this Code compliant?
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Yes. The Code permits the use of 20 amp rated single branch circuits to supply 20 amp rated receptacles at kitchen counter work areas as an alternative to the traditional 15 amp rated split circuits and 15 amp rated split receptacles.

Rules 26-712, 26-722.

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Must a separate circuit be installed to each receptacle located on either side of the kitchen sink?
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The answer depends on number of receptacles installed on the kitchen counter to satisfy Rule 26-712(d)(iii):
- One receptacle, then only one branch circuit is required;
- Two receptacles, then two branch circuits are required and each receptacle shall be on a seperate circuit;
- More than two receptacles, then at least two branch circuits shall be provided and no more than two receptacles to be connected to a branch circuit.

In all above situations, no other outlets shall be connected to these circuits supplying kitchen counter receptacles..

Rule 26-722.

Ontario Electrical Safety Code 25th Edition/2012.

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