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Old 04-15-2010, 09:39 PM   #16
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No Im not confused sorry if it seems so. I did say at the fixture. My overall point is that light fixture wiring to my understanding is part of the circuit in some cases. Nothing more..
Not according to the NEC



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Old 04-15-2010, 09:40 PM   #17
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so, you are saying there are no limitations for things like a motor wiring where I run a whip from a j box to the peckerhead? I mean after all, the junction box is where the branch circuit conductors end, right? and then obviously I can run #24 wire from a junction box to a light fixture? right?


you are really missing something there brric.
I never said any such thing. Where have I said there are no limitations. You're making stuff up I have never said.

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Old 04-15-2010, 09:44 PM   #18
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You sure could for fixture whips, not branch circuit conductors. Read the definition of a branch circuit.

What size conductors do you think come in a manufactured troffer whip?
The definition for a BC is open for interpretation. A BC is from breaker to the outlet.

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Not according to the NEC
Could you cite something that says different?

NVM I found it...240.5 (1)
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Old 04-15-2010, 09:50 PM   #19
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I never said any such thing. Where have I said there are no limitations. You're making stuff up I have never said.

yes you did. You said the branch circuts end at the j box and then this:

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Branch circuit conductors end at the outlet, which is the junction box.

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You sure could for fixture whips, not branch circuit conductors. Read the definition of a branch circuit.
and btw; your inclusion for a MANUFACTURED whip which may be included with the fixture is exactly the exemption I was speaking of. It is a UL listed whip or part of the fixture, depending on how you purchase them,
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yes you did. You said the branch circuts end at the j box and then this:
That is the definition of a branch circuit. Answer my other question, what size conductors come in a factory whip with a troffer? I never said you could randomly reduce the conductor size past the branch circuit conductors.

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yes you did. You said the branch circuts end at the j box and then this:






and btw; your inclusion for a MANUFACTURED whip which may be included with the fixture is exactly the exemption I was speaking of. It is a UL listed whip or part of the fixture, depending on how you purchase them,
Exactly.
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That is the definition of a branch circuit. Answer my other question, what size conductors come in a factory whip with a troffer? I never said you could randomly reduce the conductor size past the branch circuit conductors.
Are all troffers wire the same?

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Could you cite something that says different?

NVM I found it...240.5 (1)

I got it....
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Exactly.

exactly what? You are now arguing my position. You need to argue your position that the branch circuit ends at the jbox and I can make a whip with FMC and what ever wire I want.

I am arguing that if the installer uses FMC, they are bound by the rules of a branch circuit. You are the one saying no so what exactly is exactly supposed to refer to?

I stated long ago that if you use a pre-manufactured (as in a UL listed device) the general branch circuit rules do not apply.
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And what article of the NEC states this?
who says code requires it.? He said it SHOULD be posted. It is a good idea and it is a good practice. It prevents a person from installing a larger breaker on a circuit that starts with the larger wire but downsizes somewhere down the line.
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Wow! 2 pages gone just like that!!!!!!!!!!

Never mind, I found them!
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