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Old 02-07-2019, 10:36 AM   #1
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10 wires in kitchen lighting box


Hi and thank you for being here!

As a home owner with limited electrical experience I found replacing my kitchen light fixture more daunting than expected.

Upon removing the old lamp I found this:

3 black wires in a wire nut
3 white wires in a wire nut,with a white wire pigtail coming out
3 green (ground) wires in a wire nut
1 (single) red wire

The old lamp was connected to the single red wire and the white pigtail,as well as the ground.
The wall switch contains 3 switches because there are two additional light fixtures connected to it.

In the attic I found that 3 different cables are converging in this light box:
two romex with one black,white and ground each
one black cable containing a black, white ground and red wire.

I've attached some pictures.

my main goal is to to run power from that lighting box to a new led recessed light.
Additionally, I need to safely plug the old existing hole, in other words, prep the old wires so that everything is safe when inserting the dry wall patch and closing the opening.

I would so appreciate any input you might have, thank you for your comments or suggestions!
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:45 AM   #2
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Re: 10 wires in kitchen lighting box


You can't cover the box with drywall. It's against code. You can close the box but it can't be hidden. Sorry for the bad news.


A customer of mine asked me to look at a box inside a wall during a kitchen tile job. I told her the same thing. She said, I'm going to call my licensed electrician. Guess what he did. He left the box hidden in the wall exactly how he found it.

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Re: 10 wires in kitchen lighting box


Thank you for your prompt reply Guap0! Very good advise, I really want it to be safe!
So I guess to do it right I have to remove the old light box and and re-settle all those wires in a code compliant box on a joist close by?
Do you happen to have any comments about the pigtail and red wire? Is that common?
Thank you very much!
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https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.5...000805180.html

While you can't close the box with drywall you can close it with a blank cover like this one. It doesn't claim to be paintable but I'd try to if the white doesn't suit you.
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You could turn the whole thing upside down and use a round blank with access. Cap the red.
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To run power to the new LED connect your 2-wire cable black to the red wire. White to white, ground to ground. Since you're able to access the box from above, you can remove it from the ceiling and put a cover on it, and mount it in an accessible location.



The red wire is the switched leg from the switch, the black is for constant power. The other 2 2-wire cables are either bringing power or delivering it from other points on the same circuit. Not uncommon at all.
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If you connect to the red wire and the white bundle, your new light will work off the old switch. If your new light has its own switch then use the black bundle and white bundle and cap the red.
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Do you happen to have any comments about the pigtail and red wire? Is that common?
Yes, those things are common.
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If moving the box into the attic is too much more work, you can always run your new 14/2 from the existing box, tied as mentioned above to the red pig tail and white. Simply leave the box in place and buy one of those cheap white round blank covers. A little bit of an eye sore but you don’t have to patch the Sheetrock.
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why not remove the box from above and put a recessed light there connecting it from there to whatever other recessed light you want to put in?
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