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Old 07-11-2020, 05:48 AM   #16
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Didn't read all of the other post.


But, some techs/contractors will talk you into using the motor they have on their truck. And then take the old one with them, and exchange it under warranty. Making them more money, since they got the motor for free.


PS: Most of the time. I can use a generic motor, and still get you the motor warranty.
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I think it is a good idea to have two AC units for a house with two floors. Divide up the work. And if one AC unit goes out, you can still cool half your house.

Another good idea is to have a window AC unit as backup. Even if it isn't actually installed in the window except for emergencies. You can get one from a pawn shop for real cheap. Put it in a closet or storage room to get you by the couple days when your main unit goes out, especially during a weekend or the middle of summer when your HVAC tech has 10 other clients in front of you.
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Here's what one fellow told me...

Fan motors do not fail after only 3 years. What might fail in 3 years is the "motor start capacitor." The condensing motor unit also starts with a capacitor. I have had capacitor's that only lasted 2 years, and when I replaced it I was sure to buy a different brand capacitor. Call a different HVAC place to fix it, and tell them you think it must be the "start capacitor" because the motor is only 3 years old. You got ripped off!
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capacitors are another cheap part to have as backup. I have an extra one on my bookshelf. $10. Maybe i never use it. But if i ever need it, it'll be worth 10x what i paid for it.
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Old 07-11-2020, 04:56 PM   #20
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Here's what one fellow told me...

Fan motors do not fail after only 3 years. What might fail in 3 years is the "motor start capacitor." The condensing motor unit also starts with a capacitor. I have had capacitor's that only lasted 2 years, and when I replaced it I was sure to buy a different brand capacitor. Call a different HVAC place to fix it, and tell them you think it must be the "start capacitor" because the motor is only 3 years old. You got ripped off!

I've had condenser fan motors that failed in less than a year.


Your condenser fan motor did not use a start capacitor. It used a run capacitor, that did also help it to start.
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I've had condenser fan motors that failed in less than a year.


Your condenser fan motor did not use a start capacitor. It used a run capacitor, that did also help it to start.

Any idea why it went bad so soon?
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Old 07-11-2020, 05:16 PM   #22
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Any idea why it went bad so soon?

No. But, condenser fans motors, are supplied to the OEM usually by the cheapest bidder. Who got them from the cheapest bidding motor manufacturer.
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Any idea why it went bad so soon?

Country of origin might explain that.

The ones from Mexico seem to last longer than the Chinese ones. Genteq was always my favorite when they were made in the USA... they are now made in Mexico, but still do well.
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Country of origin might explain that.

The ones from Mexico seem to last longer than the Chinese ones. Genteq was always my favorite when they were made in the USA... they are now made in Mexico, but still do well.

Will keep that in mind.
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Is it possible to order generic parts from say Amazon:

1. Primary capacitor for the compressor and the condenser fan motor.

2. Secondary capacitor for the blower motor in the evaporator.

3. Fan motor

4. Blower motor.

It would be great if I had replacement parts on hand. I was told the below units basically use the same parts. Or is this wrong?

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R4A560AKB
N4A560GKC
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I called International Comfort Products this morning. They provide the warranty on my AC units and was told these two local AZ distributors provide the parts: Sigler and ARS.

I called both and was put on hold. After 15 mins I was still waiting. Not a good sign.

I hung up and called Phx. Sheet Metal Supply which won't cover the warranty but they do carry ICP parts and if they don't have the OEM part they can order it within a day or two. I was told OEM parts are of course preferred.

I explained the AC vendor who replaced the fan motor on one of my units last Friday did so with a part from his truck. I was told this was a universal fan motor and works with any unit. A good AC tech shouldn't have any problems installing it.

Today I'm meeting an AC vendor to look at an AC thermostat at a rental which isn't working properly. He installed the unit and is familiar with using the ICP warranty should it become needed. (Although from what I've been reading the air leaking from AC ducts might be the issue.)

I'll ask the man when he goes to an ICP dealers (Sigler or ARS?) do they usually have the OEM part?

And if they don't does he just pick up a universal?

In any case having on hand universal parts for a fan motor, blower motor as well as couple of capacitors is a good idea.
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Didn't read all of the other post.


But, some techs/contractors will talk you into using the motor they have on their truck. And then take the old one with them, and exchange it under warranty. Making them more money, since they got the motor for free.


PS: Most of the time. I can use a generic motor, and still get you the motor warranty.

I think you nailed it on the exchange
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Diagnosing the screwed up wiring system would be the most difficult for me. Some can be wired wrong and it makes them run wrong rotation.
This happened to me when my motor went out. I had a 7 month pregnant wife when our motor went out in May. I kept wiring the motor incorrectly which made it run backwards and in turn stopped the motor. I got on a website and spoke with a tech and when I told him how I had the motor wired he easily caught the error and told me how to fix it. Running great ever since!
*Furiously looking for wood to knock on*
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