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Old 01-19-2020, 09:01 PM   #16
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Where are you at? My relatives had a place in Armstrong Creek. And I know others in Oconto county.

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I would look at a Mitsubishi Hyper Heat ductless split. They do very well in colder climates on the heat side. And you will have some cooling on a humid July day. Set your baseboard a few degrees below your ductless setpoint.

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that's what i have in my house in canada (15k btu) and it work very well over -5F to heat the entire uplevel of my 1200ft home, under -5F the electric baseboards needs to go on
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Electric resistance heaters are 100% efficient, but costly to run. An electric heat pump is cheaper to run but will not work in severe cold temps in northern Wisconsin. Then an auxiliary electric heating coil will kick on, leaving you with expensive resistance heat. A few new high tech electric heaters are cheaper to run, but the are expensive and high tech, subject to complicated problems. To heat for less money and with simplicity, you need a different fuel.

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A geo-thermal heat pump installation would work but it's pretty expensive up front and the ROI takes several years even with the incentives, assistance and credits that are usually available.

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with the modern mini-split style systems it's hard to make the argument for geo based on ROI.
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Electric resistance heaters are 100% efficient, but costly to run. An electric heat pump is cheaper to run but will not work in severe cold temps in northern Wisconsin. Then an auxiliary electric heating coil will kick on, leaving you with expensive resistance heat. A few new high tech electric heaters are cheaper to run, but the are expensive and high tech, subject to complicated problems. To heat for less money and with simplicity, you need a different fuel.
see above post. even without the fancy inverter systems, a proper thermostat with the balance point set right will only use the electric backup to fill in, while doing the bulk of the work with the heat pump. electric aux heat is after the A coil, which means no efficiency is lost on the heat pump side of things - it can continue to operate at a 1+ COP.
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see above post. even without the fancy inverter systems, a proper thermostat with the balance point set right will only use the electric backup to fill in, while doing the bulk of the work with the heat pump. electric aux heat is after the A coil, which means no efficiency is lost on the heat pump side of things - it can continue to operate at a 1+ COP.
How much for that system compared to a standard gas furnace? Our NY house has a gas furnace that was purchased installed for less than $2500. Our FL house has a heat pump system that is not the highest tech available and it was over $6000. He didn’t ask for AC. I would use NG or if none, propane or oil.

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How much for that system compared to a standard gas furnace? Our NY house has a gas furnace that was purchased installed for less than $2500. Our FL house has a heat pump system that is not the highest tech available and it was over $6000. He didn’t ask for AC. I would use NG or if none, propane or oil.
standard gas furnace meaning 80%? 95%? capacity? gas + AC? all heat pumps do AC.

problem with propane is depending on your individual deal it can cost the same as baseboard.

gotta get a quote unless you're going to DIY, or have an installer that will set up your gear, a 4 ton system with air handler and 5kW strip heater can be had for under $3k delivered.

The thermostat I like is around $400 with all the extra sensors (indoor, outdoor, supply/return, internet/app connectivity, etc).
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I liked Bud's thinking on the dust, it would be worth it to pull the unit a caulk the bottom of the wall to floor. It is not just the dust but continues cold air if he is right.
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Sure - electric heat is 100% efficient, but the power plants sure aren't. More efficient to burn fuel directly or use a heatpump.
Transmission eats up a lot of power too. That is an easily overlooked advantage of local (roof top) renewable.
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