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Old 01-25-2018, 05:04 PM   #1
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Underground Drainage Pipe material


What's the latest pipe type for this application? I know the standard is basic corrugated, and then there's PVC.

But, I spoke to a landscape professional today and he told me PVC was bad b/c it gets brittle over time and is not UV resistant for pvc above ground.

He said his company uses some sort of High Density Poly for underground pipe that is smooth in the interior to allow it to be snaked without damage. What is this new product?
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If it's an "underground" drain how is the UV rays going to effect it?
PVC is smooth in the bore and has been used for septic systems for a very long time with no issues.
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If it's an "underground" drain how is the UV rays going to effect it?
PVC is smooth in the bore and has been used for septic systems for a very long time with no issues.
That's the question I asked, but the pvc that's above ground that's exposed to the sunlight or the pvc that's below ground but in a high sunlight exposure area including direct exposure to temperature extremes if not laid below the frost line can cause it to become brittle, according to the rep.
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That's the question I asked, but the pvc that's above ground that's exposed to the sunlight or the pvc that's below ground but in a high sunlight exposure area including direct exposure to temperature extremes if not laid below the frost line can cause it to become brittle, according to the rep.
Have a look at vinyl siding. If after 20 years the pipe sticking out of the ground gets brittle. It will just be the foot or so out in the sun shine.
Sounds like you are up against a high pressure sales person. If is in not more expensive go for it.
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Iím just trying to learn more about this new high density poly option. Not trying to bash pvc.
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I think that they are "blowin sunshine" up your skirt.

Meaning that they are just lying to make a sale.

I personally know that pvc piping can be above ground in direct sunlight for more than 30 years, and still be good.

Get a name for this wonder pipe, and report back so we have an inkling as to what it is.


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http://pcisupply.com/en/high-density...-variations.sn

HDPE
Flexible, durable, lightweight. Ideal for general purpose ducting of communication, data and coax cable uses. Resistant to decomposition, oxidation and other elemental conditions. Available in various sizes (0.75” – 4.0”) and colors.


PVC Pipe
Strong, lightweight and resistant to inclement weather, sun exposure, fire and chemicals. Ideal for both indoor and outdoor installations.
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88, it's much easier to work with corrugated pipe when installing it underground due to it's flexibility.
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I think that they are "blowin sunshine" up your skirt.

Meaning that they are just lying to make a sale.

I personally know that pvc piping can be above ground in direct sunlight for more than 30 years, and still be good.

Get a name for this wonder pipe, and report back so we have an inkling as to what it is.


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My guess is that it's a version of this:

https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB14OP7J...pg_350x350.jpg
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88, it's much easier to work with corrugated pipe when installing it underground due to it's flexibility.
Yes, but if there's a blockage, you can't put a snake down corrugated which could tear it up.
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Yes, but if there's a blockage, you can't put a snake down corrugated which could tear it up.
The cheap corrugated flexible pipe with or with out pick up holes is the HDPE
https://www.homedepot.com/p/4-in-x-1...0010/100212428
Pvc is smooth with or with out pick up holes but it is stiff so fittings are required.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/4-in-x-1...-100191022-_-N
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88, there is far more chance of a blockage with a 2" PVC than there is w/ 4" corrugated.
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88, there is far more chance of a blockage with a 2" PVC than there is w/ 4" corrugated.
Well yeah. I planned to be putting in 4" pvc vice 4" corrugated...until the first company I met with talked about rigid HD poly pipe.

I'm scheduled to meet with two more companies today and see what they say, but I'm avoiding corrugated for new applications.
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I think that you are going to have a hard time with the pitch if you use PVC. Corrugated pipe can roll like a roller coaster & still work.
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I can't seem to find the reason why you are putting this pipe in the ground for.?
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