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Old 07-14-2019, 10:26 AM   #16
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Re: Trying to solve a drainage problem


Feel free to ignore me, I get picky at times.
Crossing property lines can get complicated at times and is best done with easements in place. Does your property deed have an easement across your neighbors property?

Next would be talking to the city to be sure they are happy with the work you plan.

One more would be updating that easement if one is in place.

I think you are on the right track if everyone is happy. Would be nice to resolve this once and for all.

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Feel free to ignore me, I get picky at times.
Crossing property lines can get complicated at times and is best done with easements in place. Does your property deed have an easement across your neighbors property?

Next would be talking to the city to be sure they are happy with the work you plan.

One more would be updating that easement if one is in place.

I think you are on the right track if everyone is happy. Would be nice to resolve this once and for all.

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Thanks for your thoughts, Bud. The original drain line (the one that cuts across their property), plus what I've been calling the "existing drain entrance," have been there presumably since the houses were built around 1930. When we had the channel drain put in we were given permission by the neighbor to tie into that line. The work I'm envisioning will not involve crossing the property line. The driveway itself is shared between us and the neighbor.
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Old 07-14-2019, 10:47 AM   #18
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OP here. Some pictures of the area from the driveway side.
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It looks like there is a white pipe in the drain, maybe you could go under the wall and connect to the pipe, that would be lower.
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It looks like there is a white pipe in the drain, maybe you could go under the wall and connect to the pipe, that would be lower.

I dunno Neal. What if the OP's dry bed water overloads the existing 4 inch that is already being loaded from upstream ? Which if it gets overloaded, it may make someone's gutter drops, yard drains, etc. back up ?

IMO, it would be better for the OP's water to spread out in the rock as he proposes to do. And then just let the excess dry bed water go down in to the grated box drain, however fast or slow...the drain will take it as it "perks" through the rock bed around it. JMO
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It looks like there is a white pipe in the drain, maybe you could go under the wall and connect to the pipe, that would be lower.
Yes, I think it's PVC, about 8" diameter as best as I can measure it. See attached pic. At any rate, although I'm not sure, I think the footer under the wall is deeper than that pipe. If I ran the drain pipe from the river bed under the footer then that would be even deeper, and would have to pitch up to meet the pipe, which wouldn't work, right?
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If it were my project and the wall in the pic belonged to me, here is what I would do and be done with it. By the time a hammer and chisel or a core drill is used to get a 4.5 inch hole in that pieced together wall, it is going to be a crumbled up pile of concrete pieces anyway. JMO though
Thanks, Gregsoldtruck79. Do I understand you correctly that the grate to prevent animals from getting into the pipe would be mounted flush (embedded) on the side of the wall? Also, I had thought I would need an atrium grate and catch basin in the dry bed, but was concerned that the pipe exiting the catch basin was starting too low. Your picture looks like an atrium grate that the ell attaches to directly (no catch basin), am I right? If so that would be better because the pipe would start higher.
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Thanks, Gregsoldtruck79. Do I understand you correctly that the grate to prevent animals from getting into the pipe would be mounted flush (embedded) on the side of the wall? Also, I had thought I would need an atrium grate and catch basin in the dry bed, but was concerned that the pipe exiting the catch basin was starting too low. Your picture looks like an atrium grate that the ell attaches to directly (no catch basin), am I right? If so that would be better because the pipe would start higher.
Yes, the 6 x 6 grated drain box would be set flush with the new concrete wall surface around it. And the cover screws should always be associable for cleaning debris buildup. Or if one does not have critters around, just nix the grate idea and stick a open 4 inch pipe in the wall as noted earlier, less maintenance to worry about with a grate stopping up unknowingly.


Now that I know the pipe in the grate is a 8 inch, I retract my reply to Neal earlier above...with apologies. Neal's idea will work fine. And the drain pipe from the dry bed will drain well to the 8 inch pipe.

But using a straight board and a 4 ft, level, or even a laser level needs to be used to prove there is at least a 1/8 inch fall per foot in the pipe from the dry bed to the 8 inch pipe in the grate.

All while hoping the walls footer is not too deep or it would have to be penetrated to keep the fall needed. Which would be a LOT of work to do and "could " lessen the strength integrity of the footing while making a 4.5 hole in it. JMO
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I would buy, or rent a coring bit and drill a hole thru the wall or hire a coring company to core a hole as low as I could to the center of the 8" pipe and work the slope back from there to where you can put a yard drain. That would put the new pipe below the gravel and the catch basin.
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That is a nice little enclave you have there. I'm not sure where this is left at, but two things that I think haven't been mentioned:

- As talked about, the grade elevations of the inlet and this catch basin will determine the slope and where it hits at the catch basin. But the inlet does not have to be at the lowest point in your riverbed though, it can just be an "overflow" pipe. That may give you some leeway.

- Not sure if the bustin up and coring is just at the retaining wall and a pipe will be sitting on top of the driveway gravel, but if you bust up the catch basin keep in mind the driveway gravel looks to be below it at the lip, so you still need a surface inlet like the notch that's there now.
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