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Old 05-22-2017, 10:23 AM   #16
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I've had similar isues... and it depends on specific logistics( anchors available, degree of lean, fall points, fall zone, size of tree..etc.)

I have a big reduction (can't recall exact reduction) chain hoist from harbor freight for maybe $60 and use cable and chains if I can get enough tention to be sure of my fall out of the tree.

If that static tention will not create a sure fall.... then I tie off high in the tree with long rope guides and either use a car/truck to pull as I back cut or several men to guide the fall as I slowly make and adjust the back cut.



If logistics allow neither, then I buy the tree monkeys..... sometimes DIY involves knowing what is DIY.
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Since you've never fallen a tree before, it's important to record the entire event. Make sure to say "Hold my BEER!" real loud so the cameraman can hear it

Seriously though, cutting a tree down isn't terribly hard if you know what you're doing. Not to be mean, but I am not 100% sure this is the case here.
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Seriously though, cutting a tree down isn't terribly hard if you know what you're doing. Not to be mean, but I am not 100% sure this is the case here.
There is definitely a skill set involved. I would definitely think twice if this is the first tree you've taken down.
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STICK and NICK... Do have a good point.

It is pretty simple if you have some experience in your back cutting and have the "feel"...... but if you have not done before...and the fall is dangerous... maybe get someone with some experience.

Depending on their limbs/canopy and slants.... they can twist funny and not consistant with your notch and back cut.....

The pro's usually don't even need the guide ropeing.... as an amateur with limited experience, I need to have those guides TO BE SURE.
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Anytime there is something at risk that I don't want to hit I like guide ropes. In the woods, let'em fall.

One detail that isn't obvious is the purpose of the notch and back cut. Done right they create a hinge that controls the direction of the fall. In most cases I like the back cut to be slightly above the notch. But cut too far and that hinge disappears and the tree then falls where gravity wants to put it and that is when those guide ropes go to work. In your case the tree is leaning the wrong way so definitely need ropes to pull it over to where gravity can do the rest.

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Small point as a reminder.

Make sure the pulling point is farther away than the tree is tall, if you know what I mean.
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One detail that isn't obvious is the purpose of the notch and back cut. Done right they create a hinge that controls the direction of the fall. In most cases I like the back cut to be slightly above the notch. But cut too far and that hinge disappears and the tree then falls where gravity wants to put it
Ayuh,.... I completely agree,.... But,......

If ya make the back-cut to high, the tree can do what's called a Barber's Chair,...
Not pretty, 'n Extremely dangerous to the feller,....
Google it for images,....
This can also happen when to much pressure is put on the pullin'/ guide lines attached up in the tree,...

The face cut/ steering cut is the most important cut, 'n should go 'bout 1/2 the way through the tree,...
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Since you've never fallen a tree before, it's important to record the entire event. Make sure to say "Hold my BEER!" real loud so the cameraman can hear it

Seriously though, cutting a tree down isn't terribly hard if you know what you're doing. Not to be mean, but I am not 100% sure this is the case here.
I've actually felled many trees - not enough to call myself anywhere near an expert but at least a couple dozen. I've been lucky and everyone has fallen exactly as planned - lots of research before doing any such work but I know that there's still luck because things could go wrong.

This is just the first time I've had a leaner to drop against the lean rather than with the lean.

I still haven't decided on a path forward.
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Ayuh,.... I completely agree,.... But,......

If ya make the back-cut to high, the tree can do what's called a Barber's Chair,...
Not pretty, 'n Extremely dangerous to the feller,....
Google it for images,....
This can also happen when to much pressure is put on the pullin'/ guide lines attached up in the tree,...

The face cut/ steering cut is the most important cut, 'n should go 'bout 1/2 the way through the tree,...
Interesting pictures on that. And the risk could be very dangerous if I'm on a ladder and it happens quickly. But if I cut 10 feet up then the chair misses the house.

One thing I know from years of reading on tree felling is that I don't have to pull it far if I am going to cut; I only want to change the center of gravity and it doesn't take much to do that.
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And the risk could be very dangerous if I'm on a ladder
Ayuh,..... If yer standin' on a ladder with a chainsaw in yer hand,....

You've already broken the 1st Commandment of tree fellin',.....

Ladders have No place in tree work,......
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Ayuh,..... If yer standin' on a ladder with a chainsaw in yer hand,....

You've already broken the 1st Commandment of tree fellin',.....

Ladders have No place in tree work,......
Yes^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^BONDO^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Always..... and especially with helpers...... make sure everyone has, and knows, an escape route. (Property you can replace)

When a ladder is involved.... there is usually no escape route.
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Thought I'd get back to report results of my tree-dropping plan. I finally got it done last week. My son-in-law came to help so I got it done. It mostly went perfectly. I had to change the rigging a couple times as I figured out stupid beginner mistakes - all before we put any pull on the lines - but once started, we pulled the tree beyond straight until it leaned to the other direction. First, we cut the face cut before putting pressure on it. Once we had it pulled beyond straight we could have kept pulling to see if we could pull it out from the roots but we decided to just do the back cut and let it drop. Unfortunately, I didn't have a video operator so I didn't get to make a video of it.

We had identified a tree that the one I was pulling was going to bounce off of the outer limbs, made adjustments in our escape plans, etc. The operation went exactly as we predicted. The tree started exactly between the two anchor trees we had used and hit those limbs of the one that was partially blocking the path. That turned it just a bit and it hit the ground exactly where we had hoped.

I will say that this tree was about 8 inches in diameter. if it were much larger it might be a different story so I'm not saying anyone or everyone should try pulling leaners but my leaner went down without a hitch. The climbing gear I used to pull with worked fine in my case. Again, not saying anyone else should use climbing gear for rigging a tree pull; it just worked for me.
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Nice job, thanks for the update.
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