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Old 06-27-2018, 11:35 AM   #1
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I was thinking to get rid of all two by four wooden edgees and replace them with some kind of stone edging. this large cement surface has to stay but on top of it there are I think 24 by 24 cement plates I90 that needs to be the replaced with something else I don't know I'm not sure. I'm not sure where to start and what to buy to get it done. Any help would be a greatly appreciated thanks

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Start by picking the look that you want, then choose the materials according to what will achieve the appearance you desire.

Those 24X24 pavers are fast and easy to place, but it appears that you have curves to work with, which needs smaller pavers, or a means to cut a lot of the large ones.

The wood was probably forms used to hold the 24X24 in place better.

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I was thinking to get rid of all two by four wooden edgees and replace them with some kind of stone edging. this large cement surface has to stay but on top of it there are I think 24 by 24 cement plates I90 that needs to be the replaced with something else I don't know I'm not sure. I'm not sure where to start and what to buy to get it done. Any help would be a greatly appreciated thanks

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The first pic shows the curve and the flat span that leads to your
sliding door, correct? Take that wood away and go on a rock hunt
and pick up big fat bolder rocks and smaller rocks as well. Line the
that area with big rocks...Then plant some annuals in back of the rocks.

In the second photo -- take away the wood and go buy a few bags of River
Rock from HD or Lowes and lay down the river rock (out about a foot or less)
just enough to get a straight line in the front...and then lay down your
pavers.

Pay close attention to the river rock placement...it should be exactly
level with the patio or you'll have a tripping hazard.
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The first pic shows the curve and the flat span that leads to your
sliding door, correct? Take that wood away and go on a rock hunt
and pick up big fat bolder rocks and smaller rocks as well. Line the
that area with big rocks...Then plant some annuals in back of the rocks.

In the second photo -- take away the wood and go buy a few bags of River
Rock from HD or Lowes and lay down the river rock (out about a foot or less)
just enough to get a straight line in the front...and then lay down your
pavers.

Pay close attention to the river rock placement...it should be exactly
level with the patio or you'll have a tripping hazard.
I'm planning on taking the wood away and replacing them with some kind of decorative brick. For the small area on top of the first picture I wanna replace the large blocks with 4/8 bricks as well as the are in the bottom of the second picture place for a grill. Do the river stones have to be somehow compressed for more stability? Do I put any send on top of the stones before placing the bricks? Is there anything that would fill the space between the bricks and hold them together? How much of the stone I need to put in, 3"? If the brick is 4" tick, plus 3"of the stone then I should dig out at least 6-7 inches of soil? To be even with the main patio? Also, would it be a good idea to use some kind of plastic edging to hold everything together? Thanks

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In the second pic, it looks like it's straight across, In the first
pic it looks like there is a curve...my idea for River Rock was so
that you could fill in the curve ( just enough to get a
straight line ) and then lay down your pavers. But, if there is not a curve
then you could just lay down the pavers. Just make sure the pavers
and the patio are on the same plane or you'll have a tripping hazard.

I suggested nice big boulders on the curved part by the sliding door
so that you could put them down and be done.
We just layed our River Rock down with slate in between.

Why do you need to shore up the edges with decorative brick, it is a cement
patio, right?
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Here is what I was visualizing...boulders and rocks along the curve
by the sliding door...

then in front of the patio (where I thought it was curved,)
River Rock, just enough for you to get a straight line -- in order to lay
your pavers so that you don't have to cut the pavers.

If the front is straight and not curved you could eliminate the River Rock.

This is the big rocks and boulders I suggested for the curved part
by the sliding door... ( that part is curved, right?)
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So I was able to start this project this morning and just got first part done which is the small extension for a grill. It took me 8 hours to do this small area by myself. This includes 3 trips to Menards to buy more send and pavers rocks. I wasn't expecting a such a labor to be involved, man . For the next area that I'll be working tomorrow I'm planning to use the Brock Paver Base instead of the paver rocks as that area will have barely any traffic and supposed to be much faster and easier. Any idea on that?

I'm reusing my old blocks 18x18x2 to cut on coast but for the second area I'll use only 5 blocks with the red brick around it. I'm doing this as wanna plant some hostas behind it.

Now I'm not sure what to do with the old wood and the dirt? Who should I call to pick this up? Any idea?

Thanks for all the suggestions

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That's not labor, it's SWEAT EQUITY.

Gives you the privilege to say I D I Y.

As for the dirt, hang on to it for a while, there might be a need for it elsewhere in the yard.

Most communities have a day when you can put old lumber, any old junk out and the regular trash guys take it, ask your service about that.

Looking great so far, nice contrast between the 18 X18 pavers, and the edging.


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Project is finally finished. I'm still not sure how to cover up the plastic edging other than mulch it. Any idea?

Also, how to make the lucking send to remain in the groves between the pavers? It appears like each time I blow the excess away from the surface, it also blows away the send from the groves. Maybe pouring very small amounts into the groves by hand and than spraying with water to lock it in place would be the way?

Can I power wash the pavers the next day or it's too early yet?

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After putting the polymeric sand, do not blow, SWEEP gently, then get a spray bottle of water, and gently spray the joints to lock the sand in.

Then wait a week or so to power wash the pavers, and then only gently.

Put a limiter rod on your nozzle to prevent getting too close to the surface.

This will prevent getting close and blasting the joint sand away.

Gravel, mulch, bits of sod, anything appealing can cover the plastic .



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