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Old 06-22-2013, 06:50 PM   #16
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Back when I was building my garage, I was trying to figure out exactly where my property lines were. I wanted to get the garage within 6" of the line....and, the neighbor had a tree....a really big tree that was real close...too close...so close that it's roots were starting to raise the side of the garage.....

So....I paid $800 to have the property lines pined.....

Worth every penny......I was able to go over to the side about 8" more than I thought....and once we did that and pulled a string showing the line....that string was about 6" from that tree....and my neighbor agreed....it needed to come down....

If you think it costs too much money....go out and buy your own survey equipment....

Oh, one other thing. A survey typically comes with a set of prints AND the company backs up the lines....so, should there be property line issues in the future..they will step up and support the lines....they have insurance in the event there is a big mistake.
Very interesting reading about pins and buying your own survey equipment.

Here in Ontario, the only valid survey is called a Real Property Report and can be done only by a licensed Land Surveyor.

In a Real Estate transaction the Surveyor's Real Property Report can be relied upon by the purchaser, the seller, the lending institution, the municipality, the Realtor and all other parties to the transaction as an accurate representation of the property.

If you want to install a fence, there are no pins to look for (there may be stakes leftover from a survey, but no guarantee that someone hasn't moved them, so you would always use your survey that came with the deed.
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Moving or knowingly and falsely locating survey pins is a punishable offense most places I have lived in the US. Ethically it is wrong. And at some point goofing around will cost somebody dearly. When the pins are not where they should be when someone does a real survey confirmation all kinds of property disputes can ensue.
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I bet some of those pins have been moved regardless of it being a crime. In fact there has likely been a dispute or two over the pins, not to mention they are probably a little hard on the lawn mowers, or just plain get in the way.
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I don't know how surveyors put pins in, but mine seem like they're stuck in concrete. They're level with the ground so no danger to mowers. Today I dug around to find one and put a brick in the ground next to it so I know where it is. I was lucky and happened to call the surveyor whose dad did the original when this was platted, so I got a discount. I've seen too many problems with ppl not knowing where their property lines are so I told the surveyor I wanted permanent pins and it appears he only had to put one new one in, on the corner curve.

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Old 06-23-2013, 09:44 AM   #20
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i know where my pins are (rebar pounded into the ground). the neighbor isn't happy about that. he actually tried to get me to "give' him 5' of my land . telling me "thats the way it is done around here", when really it isn't.
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Moving or knowingly and falsely locating survey pins is a punishable offense most places I have lived in the US. Ethically it is wrong. And at some point goofing around will cost somebody dearly. When the pins are not where they should be when someone does a real survey confirmation all kinds of property disputes can ensue.
Every place that I have lived since growing up, I can only recall one that we actually had a pin in the front and back on both sides, but due to that home being a new construction five years before my parents purchased it. Other than that, the 20 or so properties that I have lived at since being a child, none of them have ever had pins or stakes, with the exception of one that was new construction next door, and that was a set of stakes on that property, marking its boundaries.

Rarely will you find in the majority of the U.S. any property with marker pins for land survey, unless it was done recently, or new development in the past ten or twenty years.



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I don't know how surveyors put pins in, but mine seem like they're stuck in concrete. They're level with the ground so no danger to mowers. Today I dug around to find one and put a brick in the ground next to it so I know where it is. I was lucky and happened to call the surveyor whose dad did the original when this was platted, so I got a discount. I've seen too many problems with ppl not knowing where their property lines are so I told the surveyor I wanted permanent pins and it appears he only had to put one new one in, on the corner curve.
In my town, it is where the fence lines are, where the property lines are at the sides and backs. To find the front, you just stand and look down to the fence line, and that is your front boundary, but ten feet from the curb, since our city utility & Ameren will not allow anything within ten feet of the street curb.

There are some villages around here, that they will not allow anything within twenty feet of the curb, due to utility easements, and five feet on either side of the property line between homes, is considered an easement in some of the newer neighborhoods that have been built in our area in the past ten years, then add to that twenty feet on the back (10' on your property, 10' on the property if there is one behind you. Otherwise it is twenty feet at the poles, so they can get the larger trucks back there if they need to replace them after storms, or for tree trimming).

Not every area is the same, rules are going to be different town to town. We are lucky that our rear easement is the alleyway behind us, and that is about 14' wide. Sewer, telephone, catv, power all run back there. Out front is gas and potable water.



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i know where my pins are (rebar pounded into the ground). the neighbor isn't happy about that. he actually tried to get me to "give' him 5' of my land . telling me "that's the way it is done around here", when really it isn't.
Let me guess, probably works for the county or city, or they just live in an imaginary land in their mind. We all know downstate that in your part of the state, if you accidentally drop an envelope of cash inside the inspector's vehicle, or it gets tucked under their paperwork, things happen or heads turn the other way.



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I find this post really kind of ridiculous. Like we actually "Own" the earth. Its like when they put up a fence and a sign that says "Private Beach" Like God gave only them the right to go in the water in that particular area. We got this from Europe, and the "Landed Aristocracy"

When I moved in to my current ranch home, which sits on approximately 1.5 acres, I was cutting the grass, and the neighbor to the left of me came out and showed me the concrete pads with pins in them that marked the boundaries to his property. I said "fine, now I know where I should cut up to. I later learned that this same guy yelled at the neighbor behind me for weed whacking below his split rail fence. All the neighbors hate this guy. He is one of those guys that if you wave to them they just look away. Weird. He had a large Branch come down in a storm and I went out and helped him cut up the tree fall and we threw it into my pickup and took it to the landfill. He waves to me now.

In the overall scheme of things, who really gives a S**t? To cut down an old growth shade tree that is causing nobody any harm because it infringes on someone else's property is insanity personified. An asteroid could take us all out in a New York Minute anyway.
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My land in Oregon had actual brass caps in the corners, they were as I remember just a brass cap on a metal pipe embedded in the ground, and the cap had survey info on it in lettering.
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Let me guess, probably works for the county or city, or they just live in an imaginary land in their mind. We all know downstate that in your part of the state, if you accidentally drop an envelope of cash inside the inspector's vehicle, or it gets tucked under their paperwork, things happen or heads turn the other way.
nope. he has lived there all his life. and the line always(i assume) has been 5' over on my side. now that i am taking it back, he doesn't like it.

in fact, we just "had it out', about 1 hour ago. my brother and i moved the fence over to the line(i am allowed to put it on the line, per the city). about 2 weeks ago i told him i was going to do it, he said ok.... now, he gets home and starts looking for the pins, and coping an attitude, i cop right back. his house is about 8" off the line, and he knows it. he is pissed, telling me i put the fence on his property, . we find the pins. the fence is 3" on my side . not only that, part of his no permit deck/shack is about 3" on my side.

he then realizes i was not BS'n him. and starts to twist other stuff around to make it look like its my fault.

oh. he asked me were my fence permit was. i told him its on the cities desk, right next to his deck permit

he can't bribe on this one. the survey company would have their lawyers on it. and the city permited the 4y/o garage 5' off the line.
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Like we actually "Own" the earth.

In the overall scheme of things, who really gives a S**t?
we do own it. just temporarily. we pay for exclusive usage, for a limited time.

i do. i want a place that i can go and be safe and left alone.
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fix'n it, to really make his day you should have told him he owes you rent for that 3" of your land he's using. .

Seriously, I'm glad you got it straightened out with him. I would have been a bundle of nerves dealing with him.
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i don't mind it. as it keeps me from seeing him. i really do wish he would extend it all the way to the back fence.

there were 3 of them, and 1 of me. i wasn't scared.
i don't like him. he doesn't care about anyone but him. his story is always changing. and his yard is somewhat of a mess. and his house is white.

the day i moved in, my brother saw a flag on his deck. he said i was going to have problems with that guy. i hate when he is right.
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fix'n it,

Maybe some privacy shrubs or trees along his side would be nice.

"out of sight out of mind".

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