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Old 06-29-2015, 11:15 PM   #1
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We're putting in a paver patio this summer seeing as our three college boys are home and we have the free back labor (although, with what we're now paying in groceries, it's a toss up between feeding them and hiring a contractor. LOL)

Anyway, we have loads of river rock to dig up in the back yard and I'm wondering if we were to mix two inches of it with pea gravel to fill in the gaps, tamp in down with the machine, then add another inch of just the gravel, tamp again, add the sand, screen it, then do the brick pavers (we're using actual brick because we can always find it for cheap and even free out here and it matches our house), would such a foundation hold? We need to save as much money as possible (again, three boys in college and, oh, did I mention a daughter as well? She decided to do a summer semester after she heard about the yard projects. She's the brainy one), but also want to do a good job that will last for years to come.

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Pea gravel is not the right stuff--it can not be compacted.
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No. This will not work. The patio will never set properly And you will be ripping the whole thing up in a year. You need what is called crushed stone (goes by different names in different pets of the country and coarse sand. You are going to take about 6 to 7 inches of that crushed material and tamp it down to about 4 inches , cover with coarse sand, lay the pavers, cover with more sand and more tamping more and and more tamping. There are plenty of websites telling you how to this . The river rick and pea gravel are way to big and will not give a suitable base.

If you buy the base at a home center in those little bags you will go broke. Call a raw material provider in your area and order the material in bulk . It will save you a ton of money.
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You have sons? Then you probably have had marbles left around to step on.

Did they roll or stay locked together?

River rock and pea gravel will never lock tight enough to form a solid base for pavers.

Buy your base in crushed form in truck loads from a landscape supplier, have the sons wheelbarrow it to the job site from the drop off site.

Get a power tamper (rental), and develop those young arm and back muscles.

remember to tamp and tamp some more to get the layers locked together.


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I use crushed limestone (cause that's what we have here) what you need is road fill, called Dense Graded Aggregate here. It is made of everything from 3/4" rocks down to dust and compacts nicely.

If you have a local quarry that allows customer pickup it will be far cheaper there than at any other place and the mix will be better because it isn't seperated from the repeated handling.

Vulcan Materials has a website that will give some indication of the about you need. Add at least 25% if having it delivered. Around here the haul bill on single wheel dump trucks exceeds the material cost which is why I haul 3/4 ton at a time in a 5x8 trailer.
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Thanks for your help. I am contacting a landscaping company today to get more info on their materials. Looks like we'll be giving away river rock on Criagslist soon.
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There are many uses for that river rock, other than as landfill.

A stacked stone wall as a yard divider comes to mind, as well as flower edgings, parking blocks, etc. The list is limited only by ones imagination.


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Thanks for your help. I am contacting a landscaping company today to get more info on their materials. Looks like we'll be giving away river rock on Criagslist soon.
Actually the Landscaping company may take it off of your hands and use it in areas that the rock is getting packed down at a customer's or somewhere else.

I have always learned that it is easier to barter in something like this. Than waiting forever for people to show up with 5 Gallon buckets to haul it off.



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