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Old 11-06-2016, 06:31 PM   #16
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SMR in Lakewood Ranch should have what you need, here's a link.

http://www.smraggregates.com


Here's another in Sarasota.

http://1stoplandscapefl.com
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SMR in Lakewood Ranch should have what you need, here's a link.

http://www.smraggregates.com


Here's another in Sarasota.

http://1stoplandscapefl.com
Thanks for those links. This sounds good:

"1 Stop Paver Sa1nd is a hardier alternative to the standard 250 paver sand. Like all of our Signature products, it is 100% recycled. As an aggregate-based paver sand, 1 Stop Paver Sand is known for its longevity and durability. As with other 250 sand, 1 Stop Paver Sand has uneven edges that work to create a stable base while also being permeable, which helps prevent standing water. It is a perfect sand for retaining walls, flower bed edging, patio stones, and interlocking pavers. Our 1 Stop Paver Sand is available in both bagged and bulk quantities.
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Thanks for those links. This sounds good:

"1 Stop Paver Sa1nd is a hardier alternative to the standard 250 paver sand. Like all of our Signature products, it is 100% recycled. As an aggregate-based paver sand, 1 Stop Paver Sand is known for its longevity and durability. As with other 250 sand, 1 Stop Paver Sand has uneven edges that work to create a stable base while also being permeable, which helps prevent standing water. It is a perfect sand for retaining walls, flower bed edging, patio stones, and interlocking pavers. Our 1 Stop Paver Sand is available in both bagged and bulk quantities.

Yes a much better product, as it can be used for base, setting,and to sweep over set pavers to lock in place, never was a fan of 250 base.
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Yes a much better product, as it can be used for base, setting,and to sweep over set pavers to lock in place, never was a fan of 250 base.
Unfortunately, I have 2 cubic yards of Big Earth's 250 sand that was delivered this past Wednesday. I am considering loading up to a 1/2 cubic yard of 1 stop sand in my truck for final 1" top layer and joints.
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Unfortunately, I have 2 cubic yards of Big Earth's 250 sand that was delivered this past Wednesday. I am considering loading up to a 1/2 cubic yard of 1 stop sand in my truck for final 1" top layer and joints.
Sure you can use the 250 for base, just be aware that a 1/2 cu yd of the sand you want to pickup is 1500#.
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Sure you can use the 250 for base, just be aware that a 1/2 cu yd of the sand you want to pickup is 1500#.
1500 okay. Thanks.

I've three sets of stakes with that are 4' apart. I plan to install one more set.
Each set of stakes has three string lines:
Top: level
Middle: slope (runoff) + top of pavers
Bottom: 2" below middle line for top of base

I have shoveled in, tamped down (every 2" depth) and watered approximately 2/3rds of the 250 sand. I started at the foundation and stop about 18" before the fence/edgers (not installed yet). Had to grind and sledge the PVC fence posts concrete footer excess to make room for concrete edgers that I linked prior.

I'm pretty confident the edgers will work out well however, I've run into a gutter downspout drainage issue. I'm considering using the setup shown in the linked video:
Difference is mine will need a six to eight foot diagonal run and there is existing sprinkler plumbing buried about eight inches deep that the 4" PVC will have to cross. Can 4" PVC pipe located and inch below the pavers and traffic hold up?

The gutter downspout is just below/near a spigot and I plan to put about a 2' x 2' section of egg sized rocks there instead of pavers. Any other possibility for downspout drainage?

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This may work better for the terminal end of the pipe:
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Unless you are driving a truck on the pavers, or have a couple of HEFTY SILS , the PVC will hold up fine underneath the paver field.

Just remember to try to avoid the area when final compaction time happens.

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Unless you are driving a truck on the pavers, or have a couple of HEFTY SILS , the PVC will hold up fine underneath the paver field. Just remember to try to avoid the area when final compaction time
happens.ED
Thanks. Hopefully in a few years some potential grand-children will drive toy trucks on it but, other than that just foot traffic. I'm going to go with the clean out Y-connector near downspout and the open T-connector with buried pea gravel at the terminal end. Using that T-connector makes sense as dirt will inevitably fall into the pipe on a grate or pop-up type so, that system will allow the dirt to filter down through the pea gravel as opposed to using an elbow. I read that a 3% drop should be enough for drainage.

I forgot to mention that the current downspout is 2x3". Could I get away with a 3" pvc pipe or better to stick with 4" for durability and flow?

I will leave the top 1" of base loose for paver setting. Is it okay to hand tamper or rubber mallet the pavers down or should I rent a machine tamper? I'd rather avoid he extra expense if possible.
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You can use either way to tamp the final, most people machine tamp, because they think that they have more money than time.


The hand tamping takes time and strength to lift the tamper and put it down repeatedly, but it will work.

And if you get frequent deluges, you might be better off with a 4" pipe, to carry the runoff away faster. You know your normal rainfall much better than I do, Your call.
Build your base very well, and you should have no problems with it, until the grandkids have kids, then it will be their problem.

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You can use either way to tamp the final, most people machine tamp, because they think that they have more money than time.The hand tamping takes time and strength to lift the tamper and put it down repeatedly, but it will work.

And if you get frequent deluges, you might be better off with a 4" pipe, to carry the runoff away faster. You know your normal rainfall much better than I do, Your call.Build your base very well, and you should have no problems with it, until the grandkids have kids, then it will be their problem.

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I will leave the top 1" of base loose for paver setting. Is it okay to hand tamper or rubber mallet the pavers down or should I rent a machine tamper?

Plate tamper will do a much better job than hand tamping, especially when you spread the sand to lock the pavers in place, don't cheap out on that as it's an important step in the whole process.
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Can myself and a few of my fat friends jump up and down on them and save myself $? ..Lol
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Can myself and a few of my fat friends jump up and down on them and save myself $? ..Lol


Nah,doesn't work that way.
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Old 11-13-2016, 07:55 AM   #30
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The brain of the operation (my brother) came over yesterday and got the project back on track. I purchased stone edgers to use as paver sand retainer and levelling but, they were taking too long, would leave bigger gaps and weren't going to be as adjustable as the 2"x6" PT boards my brother suggested and used. Ended up needing an additional one cubic yard of paver base than the recommended two cubic yards that was delivered a week ago from Big Earth. We used 1-stop's paver base that took two seperate trips in my brother's 1/2 ton pickup truck. Seems to me the quality and smoothness of Big Earth's 250 sand is much better for the final top layer. One stop's paver base has a lot of small pebbles in it.

We have about 3/4 of the pavers down and will be laying the rest today as well cutting them and using a plate compactor machine to tamp them down.
Will post pics soon. Thanks evryone for all the help.
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