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Old 04-28-2017, 01:03 PM   #1
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Ive got this crazy idea and my husband hates it but he wants to keep me happy lol.

I will be digging out a large portion of the yard and putting in a retaining wall to put in a patio. The patio will be made with various sizes (3' and smaller) of cookies or tree rounds (slices of a tree trunk cut to 8") the filler will be river rock. I plan on tamping the ground under the area, after grading it to one area which I plan on installing a drain/catch bucket-then piping it into the yard (husband doesn't know that yet-he said it was too much). Roof drainage will be piped away from area in the same fashion (behind the retaining wall). The underside of the tree rounds will be sealed with some deck sealer (colored stuff off of CL), the top I will seal with a clear coat. Before I put down the RR I will be putting down angled gravel. I am not sure how thick (I COULD USE INPUT). So tear my idea apart and tell me what is wrong with it please!

Would you recommend sealing the sides of the trees also?

How thick should my angled gravel layer be?

Do you agree with drainage choices?

Another question...the only real area the wood slices will be exposed to dirt will be along the lot line and right under the neighbors fence. I know that plastic harbors mold...but does anyone have a recommendation to keep moisture off these pieces? They are cut in half in order to run along the fence line.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:31 PM   #2
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I plan on tamping the ground under the area, after grading it to one area which I plan on installing a drain/catch bucket-then piping it into the yard (husband doesn't know that yet-he said it was too much). Roof drainage will be piped away from area in the same fashion (behind the retaining wall).
Ayuh,.... Drainin' above ground is always better than pipes, 'n catch-basins,....
Pipes freeze, 'n other problems,...

Just how level, or unlevel is yer lot,..??
If ya got the drop to work with,....
Dig out the area for the patio, so the sub-grade naturally drains,....
Then add yer crushed stone so it also self-drains,....
That way, the wooden blocks will also self-drain, 'n be as dry as possible most all the time,.....

Ditto the down-spouts,...
A little bit of a swale will move the water where ya want it to go most times, so long as the fall is available,....

I don't think paintin' anything on the tree rounds will stop the rot that's gonna happen,...
Proper drainage will help alot,....
I'd Guess ya might get 10 years out of it, before ya gotta replace the tree rounds,...
Depends alot on the species,...
Poplar, a couple years,...
Black Locust, probably 10 or more,...
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:43 PM   #3
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I don't think your idea is bad - as long as you like the looks of it.

Somewhere I saw people who were doing a project with tree slices where they just got a 5 gallon bucket of some type of sealer, and dipped the whole slice (or even let it soak awhile). That way, you cover the whole thing. Sch 40 abs pipe with drain would work fine; but as bondo pointed out; it really depends on your area, hard to recommend without knowing layout. Lastly, I'd suggest putting in small layer of rock (1") by fence line to keep them off the dirt, and giving at least a tiny bit of drainage.
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I'm a little confused in a couple of areas: How thick will the cookies be? I don't think you mean that they will be 8". Also, what will they be bedded on? I have a hard time picturing how this would be comfortable to walk on or stable to place to place furniture on. River rocks are rounded - cookies are flat. Since it is not bonded together, it seems that each piece would move as the substrate settles, wood shrinks, etc.

Or I'm completely missing the concept.
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I agree just not a good plan.
Unless these slices had at least a year to dry there going to split.
Sounds like termite heaven to me.
No clue what "angled gravel" is.
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No clue what "angled gravel" is.
I assumed some size of crushed stone, 'clear stone', etc.
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Angled gravel is the gravel in parking lots, drives, etc..not round like pea gravel. It is angular so it is less likely to be pushed into the ground than round, as less likely to settle.

Yes 8 inches.
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So 8" long pieces of wood of varying diameters standing on end all nestled together with river stones filling in the voids.
1. That's a lot of wood.
2. That's a lot digging.
3. I doubt it would last.
4. I doubt it would be stable over time.
5. It would probably attract critters.
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Patio drainage is simple. Grade it. And running roof drainage under the patio is a good plan too. But using slices of trees for a wooden patio? It will rot in five years. Unless you live in an arid region, baaaaaaaad idea. Find another patio surface that will last the test of time.
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Critters and 4 dogs...game on!

I know, I know, I KNOW the wood will rot. But I like the look and want to try it.Yes, a lot of digging hoping to rent a skidloader, the wood is heavy as hell but it also gives my husband the excuse he needs to buy a chainsaw. I know it will rot and I am hoping to lengthen that time by applying sealants-any advice would be welcome.

I did want to ask..the box I plan on using to catch downspout water
https://www.greydock.com/catalogsear...t/?q=fsd-094-k
do you think it will crack in the winter when it freezes?
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I hope this works out for you but honestly, this post has simply reminded me how happy I am to be divorced.
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I hope this works out for you but honestly, this post has simply reminded me how happy I am to be divorced.
Glad I could help you not make another mistake S/S.

I have been thinking about the fill. Anyone think pea gravel would be more stable than river rock?

Trying to get manufacture info on block, looking into geo grid. I am still unsure on the drain bucket (will it freeze).

My husband is excited that he gets to buy a big chainsaw...the trade off LOL.

Other than waiting for the rain to stop and the saw to cut some cookies down, I think we're ready to start excavating. We have to have this done by august.
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http://www.diychatroom.com/members/a...scape-project/

It is done.

Now to wait and see how long it lasts!
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