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Old 09-09-2009, 11:06 PM   #1
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Little design help please


Just completed building a Grape Arbour,,16x24 ft 8 ft high. Constructed from 4x 6 posts and 2x8 on 16 in center for top. looks ok,,waiting for grape vines to grow,,LOL
Any ideas for completing this project would be greatly appriciated.
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Old 09-09-2009, 11:11 PM   #2
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Is that a tarp up there?
Don't leave it up when it rains
If it traps water at all it will snap the wood very quickly

What do you want to complete?



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it's a temp tarp,,,had a picnic and it rasined,, 2x8 on 16 in center,,,no problem keeping rain out,,it will be removed in few days,,lol
need some ideas for dacor and furniture,,also need to build on fireplace/oven (euro look)
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Hey Mark, that's a great template to start from! The most important step in all of this is making sure your designs are all up to code for your specific area. It would be terrible to go through all the work only to learn you didn't put the fireplace far enough away from point X and point Y and have to attempt moving the entire deal. Now onto the first part, one of the biggest mistakes people make when buying outdoor furniture is quality. HD or Lowes usually has great deals on furniture, especially at the end of there marketing season. However, if you actually go up to the furniture and feel it or tap on the bracing and main supports, what do you hear? It's hollow! This cast aluminum is not at all durable and you would be lucky to get 5 years out of it. Try going to a quality retailer in your area and always touch and tap, it's the easiest way to test for quality. As far as a fireplace/oven goes, you said a Euro look huh? Well, do you want Eastern or Western European, Spanish or Slavakian? Haha, lots of choices, but the big thing to do is get a good concept sketched out then look at resources for materials. Most of the time for ceramic, terra cotta, brick, or natural stone you will want to cover the inside of the pit with a water/fire proofing paint or sealant. This makes your job a lot easier when trying to clean it out each season, and to avoid irksome repairs, draining money, and patience. Likewise, think about what features you want (ash depositry underneath, type of flue, etc), if you want to cook on it (Smores, or whole pig barbecue, hehe) and whether you want gas, or wood as your source of fuel. . Hope this helps!

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I've always had luck drawing things out on paper. I know that sounds obvious, but you can move things around and really get a sense of proportion. One thing to figure out with the kitchen area is the best place for it, since you have some seating in the front of the photo. Do you want it there or will the cooking smells be too close? You could put it on the far left as you're looking at the picture, but then it's farther away from guests and your back would be to them. Depends on how you entertain, etc.

I would go to the big box and grilling type stores and look at what they have, figure out how much space you need, then draw it out and start putting furniture around. It's nice to have several small conversation areas with a few chairs and a table. Do you want a table for eating under there?

Here's a cool site for grills/outdoor kitchens. Pretty pricey, but it will give you ideas on sizes, etc.

http://www.kalamazoogourmet.com/
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LOL,,old eastern Europe,,,here is a picture from last yr of what I had in mind,,,only one problem,,these are more like ovens which is nice , but I would like to add a grill and woodburning,,no gas, have one of them. Just dont know where to start.
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Nice, and no worries, sketching it out doesn't have to be pretty, it just gives you an idea for space. The best resources are the little "libraries" at Home Depot or Lowes. Both stores should have a little section of books about building your own patio area with grill/oven, fireplaces, etc. The nice thing about these books is they usually showcase a few designs, and give you more to work with as far as what types of grilling surfaces to get and even where to find them. You can either browse these books, or buy one, since they're only about $15-20. This should get you moving in the direction you want, and you can decide what to put in, or leave out depending on what you want. Good luck!
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