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Old 07-18-2011, 03:13 PM   #16
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So, is watering 3x's a week for 30 minutes sufficient (5:00am - 5:30am, Monday, Wednesday, Friday) when there is hardly rainfall? Or as people mentioned in this thread, is it ok to water at night 3x's a week for the same amount of time?
As been previous mentioned, with this lack of rain, watering at night will have little ill effect if any. I would recommend watering for at least an hour 3x a week.
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As been previous mentioned, with this lack of rain, watering at night will have little ill effect if any. I would recommend watering for at least an hour 3x a week.
Any particular time? 7pm - 8pm, Mon, Wed, Fri?

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Any particular time? 7pm - 8pm, Mon, Wed, Fri?

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I start at 7 and stop at 9, but thats just me.
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I start at 7 and stop at 9, but thats just me.
And you are also located in Northern, NJ (Bergen County)? I will give that a shot.

Thanks.
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And you are also located in Northern, NJ (Bergen County)? I will give that a shot.

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Thanks for the input. Will try the night time routine for the rest of the summer.
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Thanks for the input. Will try the night time routine for the rest of the summer.
Good luck!!
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Good luck!!
Although two hours a night sounds like a lot. I guess it depends on the type of sprinkler and coverage as well. I actually have two sprinklers connected to on hose line. Will try one hour a night. Mon, Wed, Fri, 7pm - 8pm. Got to save on that water bill.
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...conventional wisdom says water less frequently and deeper..which is great for completely ideal conditions....lots of good deep topsoil...IMHO.
Exactly. Few people have such ideal conditions. I used to follow that advice. Push a piece of pipe into your lawn and pull it up to take a "core sample" If you don't know what you are looking at (like me), you still might not know how to read it, but it showed I have about an inch of topsoil and then clay. Water does not soak in, it just stays on the surface. I water frequently and lightly now. I am trying to improve the quality of my soil, but its slow going.
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Using a golf course as your guide to lawn maintenance is generally not going to help with your lawn. Golf courses have a controlled and unique soil structure that is monitored, tested and maintained to achieve the lush green grass you see. Very few lawns, even ones on courses, have conditions even close to what the average golf course has. I am in Maryland which is in the transition zone or zone from hell. Unless you test your soil, amend it, aerate it regularly and follow a detailed program, it is best to just let it alone when these conditions set in. All grasses will go dormant if overly stressed. The important thing is to make sure they are healthy and have strong root systems before they are stressed. The plants will survive and green up when conditions improve. Golf on TV has convinced everyone they should always have a perfectly green lawn. People need to accept periodic brown dormant grass as natural.
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Using a golf course as your guide to lawn maintenance is generally not going to help with your lawn. Golf courses have a controlled and unique soil structure that is monitored, tested and maintained to achieve the lush green grass you see. Very few lawns, even ones on courses, have conditions even close to what the average golf course has. I am in Maryland which is in the transition zone or zone from hell. Unless you test your soil, amend it, aerate it regularly and follow a detailed program, it is best to just let it alone when these conditions set in. All grasses will go dormant if overly stressed. The important thing is to make sure they are healthy and have strong root systems before they are stressed. The plants will survive and green up when conditions improve. Golf on TV has convinced everyone they should always have a perfectly green lawn. People need to accept periodic brown dormant grass as natural.
I get where you are coming from in general. However, the comparison to golf courses in this thread was not about one always keeping the lawn green like courses do...but rather with respect to it being ok to watering at night under certain circumstances. The concern with watering at night is primarily potentially promoting a fungal environment. And if that was such a real concern golf courses would not water at night. Therefore.. it's my opinion that in certain circumstances the benefit and need to water at night can at times far outweigh the risks.

With respect to your primary point...there's nothing wrong at all with someone wanting a lush green lawn throughout the year as much as possible. It does come at a price...a lot of that the cost of irrigation requirements during summer. But I don't see why people NEED to accept periodic brown dormant grass if they choose not to. And there's certainly nothing wrong with accepting the natural dormancy phase either.

Definitely agree with the points about testing, amending, aerating, etc.
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Piste,

Watering at night or at any time of day when high temps and high humidity conditions exist is a guessing game especially during extended periods like we are having. If the air is saturated and your low temps are 70 plus if you have poor surface and subsurface drainage even localized, determining how much water to add becomes more art than science. It has no where to go. Even during midday, the RH may be 40% but the dew point may approach the actual temperature so it isn't going to evaporate like many seem to think. My reference to golf courses wasn't expressed well. I was trying to say that an established golf course has the drainage needed and a history of works best based on type of grass, root competition, hours of shade, etc. that works for that course. The course across the street may flourish with a completely different irrigation routine.

As for it being acceptable for someone to want green lush grass year round, I agree that someone can want it but I don't agree everyone should be able to choose to do whatever it takes to achieve it. I am no tree hugger or socialist but certain fundamental realities can't be dismissed. If municipal water or well water is being used, it is a selfish indulgence that affects everyone. During a drought runoff and the chemicals it contains are fed into a system that is unable to dilute sufficiently. So if it is that important to someone, learn how to use grey water and harvest every drop of rain one can or even better install synthetic grass. No chemicals, minimal upkeep and most people can't tell the difference between the real thing and some of the really good synthetic grass that is available today.

I just think people want a cure all when they should ride out the storm. Trying too hard to fight Mother Nature usually isn't a good idea. Just my opinion and if my wife is right then my opinion doesn't matter.
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Piste,

Watering at night or at any time of day when high temps and high humidity conditions exist is a guessing game especially during extended periods like we are having. If the air is saturated and your low temps are 70 plus if you have poor surface and subsurface drainage even localized, determining how much water to add becomes more art than science. It has no where to go. Even during midday, the RH may be 40% but the dew point may approach the actual temperature so it isn't going to evaporate like many seem to think. My reference to golf courses wasn't expressed well. I was trying to say that an established golf course has the drainage needed and a history of works best based on type of grass, root competition, hours of shade, etc. that works for that course. The course across the street may flourish with a completely different irrigation routine.
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I agree with all of this... with one small twist. I look at it not as a guessing game...but more as a judgement call. I have primarily clay and rocks with not so great drainage. Been in this house three years and am on a program to improve with compost, core aeration...etc etc. But as we know that will take years. Meantime....whwn it comes to watering at night I have to weigh the risk of fungal issues with that of letting my lawn continue to get what has so far been virtually no water this summer. Ideally I'd water in the 3am to 6am or 7am timeslot....but if the rest of life and lack of an irrigation system prevent that and my only real option some weeks is to get the sprinklers going at night...well that's where the judgement call comes in...and we can each decide for ourselves what our risk tolerance is. It's all a tradeoff of potential risks and potential returns or benefits.

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As for it being acceptable for someone to want green lush grass year round, I agree that someone can want it but I don't agree everyone should be able to choose to do whatever it takes to achieve it. I am no tree hugger or socialist but certain fundamental realities can't be dismissed. If municipal water or well water is being used, it is a selfish indulgence that affects everyone. During a drought runoff and the chemicals it contains are fed into a system that is unable to dilute sufficiently. So if it is that important to someone, learn how to use grey water and harvest every drop of rain one can or even better install synthetic grass. No chemicals, minimal upkeep and most people can't tell the difference between the real thing and some of the really good synthetic grass that is available today.

I just think people want a cure all when they should ride out the storm. Trying too hard to fight Mother Nature usually isn't a good idea. Just my opinion and if my wife is right then my opinion doesn't matter.
Umm...here I'll violently disagree. Your sentiments are anti-American. You believe individuals should not be able to choose to attempt to have a lush green lawn??? why? Because it might go against some of YOUR values? You don't get to impose your values on the rest of the world. Nor do I mine.

PS. little to no "bad" runoff from my property. I try to keep it as "organic" as possible.
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I didn't want to make you angry, I was just expressing one view. I can assure you I am as far from un-American as one can be. My favorite author is Ayn Rand. The most inspiring and brilliant political figure in history for me is Thomas Jefferson. I am libertarian and believe the Constitution is very clear and is not a living document. I believe in minimal government and that HOAs and condo associations should be eliminated or not given any right to impose rules on any property owner. Jefferson wanted the wording of the Declaration of Independence to read "the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of property." I agree in live and let live. But that means if what you do affects my life, liberty or property, I will not be silent. It is every mans obligation to make every effort not to infringe on someone else's rights. So if my neighbor is on a well and waters his lawn from the same well source as mine and my well goes dry, he has infringed on my rights as much as any government agency can.
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I didn't want to make you angry, I was just expressing one view. I can assure you I am as far from un-American as one can be. My favorite author is Ayn Rand. The most inspiring and brilliant political figure in history for me is Thomas Jefferson. I am libertarian and believe the Constitution is very clear and is not a living document. I believe in minimal government and that HOAs and condo associations should be eliminated or not given any right to impose rules on any property owner. Jefferson wanted the wording of the Declaration of Independence to read "the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of property." I agree in live and let live. But that means if what you do affects my life, liberty or property, I will not be silent. It is every mans obligation to make every effort not to infringe on someone else's rights. So if my neighbor is on a well and waters his lawn from the same well source as mine and my well goes dry, he has infringed on my rights as much as any government agency can.
Hey,
You didn't make me angry...I just strongly disagree with where you were coming from. If a green lawn most of the year makes me happy...then that falls under the pursuit of happiness. If I have worked hard enough in this life to have the resources to pay the water bill needed to achieve it..so be it. Gov't serves a very useful and necessary purpose...but I believe we have all the gov't we need already....and then some..particularly in the last few years. To restrict my ability to water because of some folks views on saving the world....is no more appropriate than someone being forced to water their lawn to keep up the look of the neighborhood.

Kudos to you for your well articulated and intellectual response by the way. I am duly and sincerely impressed....though it does kind of conflict with your previous post a bit. Now I gotta go move my sprinkler!

Cheers!
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