Killing Vegetation For A Clean Grass Slate - Landscaping & Lawn Care - Page 2 - DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum
Advertisement


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Landscaping & Lawn Care

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Old 07-05-2015, 01:37 AM   #16
Wire Chewer
 
Red Squirrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,550
Rewards Points: 528
Default


Where would I buy vinegar in bulk like that? Or is it possible to actually buy pure acetic acid so I can dilute myself?

Another thought, would boiling water also work? I was thinking I could make a jig out of copper that I lay over the BBQ, fire it up and have instant boiling water coming out of the hose, just soak the area. Not sure if a garden hose would handle boiling water though... I've also heard boiling water will permanently make the soil not able to grow anything, is this really the case? I can't see why it would. I think it's similar to the myth that you can't water plants with water that has been microwaved (Even after it cooled off).

I've had the tarp on it for now, will leave it there for another week or so and then pull it up and see what kind of damage I did. It's been raining a lot, maybe I got a nice mushroom grow op going on under there. lol
Red Squirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-05-2015, 07:32 PM   #17
PE Mechanical Engineer
 
Thunder Chicken's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Massachusetts, USA, Zone 6A
Posts: 631
Rewards Points: 862
Default


Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Squirrel View Post
Where would I buy vinegar in bulk like that? Or is it possible to actually buy pure acetic acid so I can dilute myself?

Another thought, would boiling water also work? I was thinking I could make a jig out of copper that I lay over the BBQ, fire it up and have instant boiling water coming out of the hose, just soak the area. Not sure if a garden hose would handle boiling water though... I've also heard boiling water will permanently make the soil not able to grow anything, is this really the case? I can't see why it would. I think it's similar to the myth that you can't water plants with water that has been microwaved (Even after it cooled off).

I've had the tarp on it for now, will leave it there for another week or so and then pull it up and see what kind of damage I did. It's been raining a lot, maybe I got a nice mushroom grow op going on under there. lol
A good garden center might have horticultural vinegar, but you might have to ask around for it. You can get it online. If you have heavy black plastic and a lot of sunshine, you probably don't need vinegar, but if it is shady and cool and otherwise hard to heat up the ground this could help kill stuff.

Boiling water could work, but I think it would be a lot of work, and all you really are doing is cooking the plants. Black plastic will get you to the same place with much less effort. Make sure to keep the edges tight to the ground to minimize air circulation under the tarp; you want it hot hot hot under there.

Don't worry about the bacteria - even if you could completely pasteurize the upper few inches of soil (unlikely), there are bacteria deeper down that will repopulate the surface soil. Anything that could actually kill all the bacteria in the first few inches of soil would probaly take out your neighborhood and constitute a civil defense emergency.
Thunder Chicken is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-07-2015, 03:31 AM   #18
Wire Chewer
 
Red Squirrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,550
Rewards Points: 528
Default


Just peaked under the tarp and stuff is turning yellow, but not brown, so think it's still living just less healthy. I will try to find a black tarp locally and put that over as the blue one lets too much light in even with all the stuff I piled on top. We don't get much sun here so I don't think sun alone would get it hot enough but worth a shot. Good to know about bacteria. I had heard that boiling water basically nukes everything to the point that the soil is not usable. I'll use boiling water as plan B. Fire is tempting but too many things that could burn around there like the fence and shed. :P

I will probably end up having to wait till next year to actually till and plant the lawn though. It's already July, in a month from here we will be getting frost at night so probably too late to put grass seeds down at that point. I put seeds down in another area when I originally posted this and they finally started to germinate now.
Red Squirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-07-2015, 07:53 PM   #19
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: far sw sub chicago
Posts: 6,668
Rewards Points: 996
Default


my weeds are dieing off. they would be totaly dead by now, but all this darned rain is washing the WBGmax off.
Fix'n it is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2015, 03:36 AM   #20
Wire Chewer
 
Red Squirrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,550
Rewards Points: 528
Default


I got sick with a bad cold, so have not had a chance to check my tarp in a while but it's still there. There's stuff growing around it that I'll have to remove manually, but nothing seems to be growing under it... ex: it has not lifted. When I did check earlier everything was turning yellowish kinda like when you put something on grass and take it off a few days later. Not necessarily dead but weaker.

When I get the chance I'll pull it off and see if the ground can be manipulated with a metal rake so I can "till" it then pack it down and then add seeds. Probably too late in the year now to try to grow grass from seeds but figured it's worth a shot anyway. Worse case I start very early next year before weeds start to grow back.

Funny thing is I am toying with building a shed there, but it will still be good to have a clean slate instead of trying to build in that forest of weeds.
Red Squirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2015, 10:06 AM   #21
PE Mechanical Engineer
 
Thunder Chicken's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Massachusetts, USA, Zone 6A
Posts: 631
Rewards Points: 862
Default


You can try dormant seeding. Prepare the ground, wait for the first snow of the season, and cast the seed just before the snow hits. The seed will stay dormant and the freezing and thawing of the ground will help work the seed into the soil. When the conditions are right in the spring, it will sprout.

Or you can just wait until spring.
Thunder Chicken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2015, 03:42 PM   #22
Wire Chewer
 
Red Squirrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,550
Rewards Points: 528
Default


Finally got a day where it's not raining so managed to take the tarp and tree branches off today. I should have went with a darker tarp though as there are some small plants that still managed to keep growing and still lot of roots, but in general the worse is gone. hopefully it wont recatch. I just tilled the soil, it's mostly clay. Got lucky that it was 15C so was not too bad compared to if it was 20 with sun being out. I will buy some peat moss (can get in larger quantities than regular top soil) and put it over and try to flatten it as best as I can and put the grass seeds. They may not catch on time but I'll give it a shot anyway. With all the rain we get at this time of year it might accelerate it.

Now hopefully the weeds wont come back before the lawn seeds germinate though. They spreaded behind my neighbour's shed too but I'll just use Weed B Gon. Debating on spraying some on the bare soil too as precaution but it might make it harder for the lawn to grow, what do you think? Vinegar seems to be what is recommended everywhere but really not sure were to buy I bulk, we don't really have any places here that would sell that. There's a Costco 3 hours from here, they'd probably have it but it's kinda far. :P Did find some on Amazon but they want $175 for a 128oz bottle. Yikes! At that price I'll just get weed man lol.

Last edited by Red Squirrel; 08-11-2015 at 03:48 PM.
Red Squirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2015, 01:54 PM   #23
Wire Chewer
 
Red Squirrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,550
Rewards Points: 528
Default


Update: I end up having to till it with a shovel and what not, and pack it down, and skimmed a bit of clay out to make room for black earth and peat moss mixture. Added seeds, and surprisingly they already started to grow even now that summer is over. Maybe with the frost in the morning it's actually giving it more moisture during the day.



There are still a lot of those leafy plants growing though, They're impossible to kill completely but I got the worse out, and I'll just have to pull them out by hand and try to keep up. No joke, they were growing as I was tilling it. I'd turn around and some that were not growing an hour before were growing.

Weed B gon weakens them then they just continue growing. I left my tarp behind the neighbour's shed to kill at least a good section of them. Next summer I'll have to keep tackling this but at least there will be grass to help drown them out. I'll plant more grass seeds in spring.
Red Squirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2015, 07:28 PM   #24
PE Mechanical Engineer
 
Thunder Chicken's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Massachusetts, USA, Zone 6A
Posts: 631
Rewards Points: 862
Default


Mow high and mow often next season, and keep up the hand pulling. That will help kill off the lingering broadleaf stuff and keep the grass tall and thick to help smother it. You will probably want to overseed with some more grass seed next spring to really get it thickly established.

You'll get there!
Thunder Chicken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-18-2015, 04:10 PM   #25
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 3
Rewards Points: 6
Default


Thanks for the update, Red Squirrel. I just bought a house and there's a huge patch in the front yard that is nothing but weeds (see attached). I was thinking of going the plastic route but wasn't sure how well it would work. Nice to see that you got results with it.
Attached Thumbnails
Killing vegetation for a clean grass slate-weeds.jpg  
Adastra is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Adastra For This Useful Post:
oh'mike (10-18-2015)
Old 10-19-2015, 12:54 AM   #26
Wire Chewer
 
Red Squirrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,550
Rewards Points: 528
Default


This grew surprisingly well, we had a very late winter start, our first snow was actually only a few days ago.

I think it got thick enough that it should take again next year. If I can get the lawn to take properly then I can get a better chance at eradicating the leafy plants. I just realized I never took a pic of the plants I'm talking about, and you can't really see them in the pic I took, I'll have to take one tomorrow as it's suppose to be warm out and the little snow we got will melt. It's not the big dandelion ones you see, those are easy to get rid of as they're big with stronger roots that come out instead of breaking.
Red Squirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2015, 01:01 AM   #27
Wire Chewer
 
Red Squirrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,550
Rewards Points: 528
Default


So this is how things are looking now, there are lot of weeds but those are the easier ones to pull I've just been lazy and figure it's probably too late in the year to worry about it anyway.




I'm actually very surprised at how fast that grass grew. I tried to get grass to grow in another area all summer and it barely grew. I guess the location is a big factor too, the location I have trouble with is on the side of the house and it does not get as much rain.

these are the weeds that were being problematic but most are actually drowned out by the lawn already:



When you pull those, the stem just breaks and they regrow within a day.

I will have to make sure to be on top of it in spring and just keep pulling them, I might opt to not mow that section of lawn for a while, just to make sure it gets a chance to get real thick.
Red Squirrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2015, 10:31 AM   #28
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,390
Rewards Points: 1,602
Default


In the future throwing a piece or two of plywood on there would have killed everything after a couple of weeks. If you want to really kill stuff quick, put an upside down glass patio table over the area when it's sunny. I flipped my table over for a few minutes when I was cutting the grass under it and the sun baked that spot. The grass was brown for weeks, but finally mostly recovered. If a few minutes did that I imagine days of that would kill everything.
mikegp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2015, 09:08 PM   #29
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: California
Posts: 10,661
Rewards Points: 4,306
Default


What an interesting thread! Have you considered that that might be tree or ornamental bush seedlings? Especially since you say the roots are so strong. I'm sure you know that some trees spread through long root systems. Take a look around the neighborhood for sources of seeds or roots from a tree that has similar foliage. Just a thought. In regard to weeds, I lived on an orchard and it had many Roundup (glyphosate) resistant weeds because of the use by farmers. Bing had many photos of resistant weeds in Ontario, Canada. I just searched Roundup resistant weeds in Ontario & they popped up. I know in California, we have Roundup in the groundwater, even. It looks like you've done a good job with the tarp. I found this site regarding Ontario:
http://www.agannex.com/energy/predic...stant-weed-new
Weed B Gone has photos of weeds it kills on it's webpage.
Nik333 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2015, 10:12 PM   #30
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: California
Posts: 10,661
Rewards Points: 4,306
Default


Okay, I think I found it. All the other info I wrote doesn't apply. I think it is ornamental goutweed. It was imported to North America from Asia but has become invasive. Good news is you can eat it! ( But, not to be confused with water hemlock) The recommended way to kill it is what you did, only black tarp. http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/0...ally-goutweed/
Nik333 is online now   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
starting floor project with clean slate by using leveling compound robismyname Flooring 1 10-07-2011 12:53 PM
kitchen clean slate bubbler Kitchen & Bath Remodeling 4 10-19-2010 08:01 PM
Clean slate on East-facing bed in Portlan, Or 99miles Gardening Forum 0 10-04-2010 11:15 AM
Grass problems jools Landscaping & Lawn Care 13 07-01-2009 03:12 PM
Slate Flooring...Problems Encountered djchrishart Flooring 1 12-12-2007 11:13 AM




Top of Page | View New Posts