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Red Squirrel 06-26-2015 03:22 AM

Killing vegetation for a clean grass slate
 
I have this "garden" of invasive leafy plants and weeds that is growing out of control and spreading every year. It's maybe about 10'x8'. It has this leafy plant that flowers, but lot of other random stuff in it too. It's starting to invade in the neighbour's yard too. I just want to completely irradiate that area so I can put grass seed and grow a fresh lawn.

What would be the best way to completely irradiate vegetation like this? I started by going at it with the hedge trimmer just to cut it all down. I'm thinking of spreading all the cut plants then just weighting it down for the summer and next year in spring I can take it off, rake the soil and put down seeds.

Will this work? Or will stuff still be able to grow even under a tarp? I'd have to take a pic if you need to see what kind of plant it is, but really I'm just looking for a general way to kill off everything, without compromising the soil. (so, no salt, or chemicals etc)

What about boiling water, will that work better? Mind you I would need to find a way to bulk boil water to cover such an area but I could probably just make a small camp fire and rig something up with some copper pipe and the hose. I've also considered burning it but it's in a corner with fence and shed so that would be a bad idea.

Will my tarp idea work? I'm not really in a hurry so if I have to leave it that way all year then I will. I want it to kill off the roots too.

SeniorSitizen 06-26-2015 06:17 AM

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You plow it shovel depth with a round nose shovel. 8x10, gawd, this old man could have that done in less than an hour.

Red Squirrel 06-26-2015 02:19 PM

There is no way, not with all the roots. I tried, not only was it hard work that was not getting anywhere, it was just breaking my shovels and rakes. I could rent a mini excavator though, but I'm thinking without actually killing the roots they'll just sprout again.

Was thinking of using lots of chemical based killer, but I don't want to compromise the soil either as I'll wait to flatten it out with a roller and plant grass seed after.

This is what I'm dealing with, most of that is NOT grass but thick stems of various weeds, I cut it all up with the hedge trimmer and left it in piles for now but I need to kill off all the roots and start over or it will just keep regrowing.

http://gal.redsquirrel.me/thumbs/lrg...sc_7231_01.jpg

http://gal.redsquirrel.me/thumbs/lrg...sc_7232_01.jpg

It looks less bad in the pics than it really is.

Fix'n it 06-27-2015 08:38 AM

put WEED-B-GONE MAX just on the leaves of those weeds. allow at least a few days of no rain/water. then wait. reapply after 1 week. keep doing this. it will take a while, months perhaps. but the weeds will eventually completely die, and leave the soil just fine for grass.

Colbyt 06-27-2015 04:25 PM

Use a weed and grass killer (kill all) that is not active in the soil. One that only works on living plants. Most veggies are safe to plant after 3-7 days. Do not buy the product that kills for a year. That is not what you want.

NorthernWinds 06-27-2015 07:51 PM

Safer way is just solarize it. Put down heavy plastic ( my gardening friends disagree on whether black or clear plastic is better ). Weight the plastic down with stones or something that holds the heat in so it builds up and kills the vegetation underneath.

It may take longer in Canada, depending on how much sun you get in that area and how intense the sun is.

I've read that vinegar also can kill weeds but in my experience it would take a lot of vinegar to kill the patch in the photo.

On the other hand, sounds like Senior Citizen is pretty good with a round nose shovel - maybe he'll come and do it for you!

Some gardeners use cardboard, but it will degrade during rain and the growth underneath might have a chance to survive.

chrisn 06-28-2015 04:22 AM

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round up, kills roots and all, does not compromise the soil, farmers use it to kill weeds and plant corn the next day

gregzoll 06-28-2015 05:15 AM

Personally I would just rent a Sod Cutter and go that route. Find out the depth you need to set it, then off you go. Any chemicals you apply, no matter how they are made. Will cause no grass to grow there. Especially since grass is really a weed.

The other way if you do not want to rent the sod cutter, get a Square shovel and cut out the bad weedy sections. Put down some Black dirt mixed with compost, then use Hydro Seed that you can get anywhere, or just put down sod.

Then just water and hang out on the hammock relaxing.




IslandGuy 06-28-2015 08:03 AM

I say if your soil is that hard and compacted and rooted that you're breaking garden tools, you need to rectify that situation before new grass is planted as it won't grow robustly enough and the weeds will take over again.

The best defense against weeds is a healthy, robust lawn.

Fix'n it 06-28-2015 09:04 AM

i just did my yard yesterday. creeping charley. now i wait.

Fix'n it 06-28-2015 10:37 AM

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this is creeping charley i sprayed yesterday. can't see it in the pic, but it has started to wilt :thumbsup:


this is a plant that i sprayed a while ago. while it looks to be somewhat alive. when i cut it off, it will never grow back.

Red Squirrel 06-28-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IslandGuy (Post 2205250)
I say if your soil is that hard and compacted and rooted that you're breaking garden tools, you need to rectify that situation before new grass is planted as it won't grow robustly enough and the weeds will take over again.

The best defense against weeds is a healthy, robust lawn.

It's not so much the soil but all the roots in it. I think once all the roots are dead and I've completely dried out that soil I'll have a better chance at it. We don't get enough sun here so don't think the plastic would make it get hot enough but I did end up going with a blue tarp, though I did not realize how much light it still lets in, so I may need to put something else. for now I just took the clippings and spread over the tarp to weigh it down and block more light. I recently trimmed my hedges so I put all the branches on it too.

failing that I'll use the Weed B Gon or Roundup as suggested, I figured that would compromise the soil making it harder to get grass to grow, but if it's safe then I might do that. I did use it for the rest of my lawn as I have lot of weeds too, the first application worked well to kill the dandelions, now I'm left with 3 leaf clovers and other leafy stuff so I did another application recently.

Fix'n it 06-28-2015 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Squirrel (Post 2206338)

failing that I'll use the Weed B Gon or Roundup as suggested, I figured that would compromise the soil making it harder to get grass to grow, .

it will, if you use to much.

Colbyt 06-29-2015 09:05 AM

I use a brand from a farm store, not one of the name brands. These things tend to be somewhat regional anyway. Mine says replant grass anytime after 7 days. Ornamental gardens after 1 day, veggies are listed with varying times to planting.

For me this works far better than any of the name brands.

Weed be Gone is a selective herbicide that only kills broadleaf weeds and not what you want for lawn restoration.

Active ingredient:
Glyphosate, isopropylamine salt 41% by volume,

Read and follow the dilution directions on the bottle you purchase.

Thunder Chicken 06-29-2015 07:28 PM

My $0.02 - try some horticultural vinegar (20% acetic acid), spray it on and cover with thick black plastic for the summer. In August peel up the plastic, rake and pull up what you can, overseed.

Cut out as much of the roots as you can. It's tedious but it must be done, or else you'll be doing this all again next year. Anything that still pops up (and it will), cut it off at ground level ASAP. Do that enough and whatever roots are down there will just starve and die.


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