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Old 07-01-2018, 04:11 PM   #16
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Re: How to remove this stump


I have said it before , and will repeat myself again.

50 years ago I worked for a stump removal guy, that used a 10 ton truck with a bed mounted winch, and gin poles on the tail roll, to pull stumps.

Dig around the stump, wrap a large chain low around the stump, and back the truck up close to the stump, and run the winch line, through the block on the gin poles, and down to the chain, hook it up and pull.

If your truck is not strong enough, get a snatch block, and use it on the chain, then run your winch cable through the snatch block, and back to the gin poles. ( this doubles the pulling power), then pull.

If you still don't have the power, use a bigger snatch block, they are made with 2, 3, 4, pulleys that multiply your available power.

And jerking on a stump with a pickup and chain is a good way to ruin your pickup.

I have seen bumpers, axles, beds all yanked off by " REDNECKS", ( there is that word again), being themselves.


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Old 07-01-2018, 04:48 PM   #17
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I seldom see those old rigs driving around any more Ed. What she could do though, is hire a wrecker truck to do the same thing. But I seriously doubt a 20-30 ton wrecker will pull that stump then haul it off, for $150.00 -200. Which I believe is about what a stump grinder man may charge. JMO
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Find someone with a bigger truck...
Yes, you're right and not letting him use that little truck was my first thought and I should have immediately said, "no, I don't want to ruin your truck". Now, I admit that I did have moment, before I started digging and before I took a gander at those HUGE roots (and, before I knew about the tap root) that I thought if I cut all the roots, maybe the stump would come out pretty easily. Once I really saw what was going on, I knew in my heart that we couldn't use his little truck.
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If you let someone (just being nice, not hired) hook their truck up to that stump that has less than a Dodge 3500 4x4 turbo diesel, you "may " end up feeling your on the hook... for paying the damages they will do to their truck.

Because there is something about males and their ego. They will pull the whole bottom end out of their truck off trying to get that stump out, before they will admit " Nope, my truck just ain't big enough". JMO and Good Luck to you.
Yes. Even though I am paying him for his help (and, have only needed a small amount up to now), I kind of knew in my gut that his truck was too small for the job and when the time came, I'd thank him but tell him "I don't want to ruin your truck". And, you're right. The "male ego" is a factor. He's a nice young man, but at the very beginning when he knew I was going to build a retaining wall, he had a lot of advice for me (an "old lady") that was contrary to what I know I need to do (I've done a LOT of research, including reading the 50 page Allan Block Best Practices manual, the Installation manual, the Spec Guidelines, and a document about the importance of compaction [which set me straight about using a plate compactor because I was trying to weasel out of that and was hoping to use a hand tamper]).

Thank you both for your response to my post and your advice.
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Dig around the stump, wrap a large chain low around the stump, and back the truck up close to the stump, and run the winch line, through the block on the gin poles, and down to the chain, hook it up and pull...

...And jerking on a stump with a pickup and chain is a good way to ruin your pickup...

...I have seen bumpers, axles, beds all yanked off by " REDNECKS", ( there is that word again), being themselves.

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Thanks for your reply, Ed. The stump is in a place where a truck could maybe back up 30 feet away, which is one of the things I mentioned to the young man with the little truck...that he couldn't get close enough and the angle was bad (and, of course, I knew in my heart that his truck is too small). I'm going to have to keep working on digging it out and maybe hope for some help from the lumberjack who will be back here in a week or so to cut down some dead cedars.
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I seldom see those old rigs driving around any more Ed. What she could do though, is hire a wrecker truck to do the same thing. But I seriously doubt a 20-30 ton wrecker will pull that stump then haul it off, for $150.00 -200. Which I believe is about what a stump grinder man may charge. JMO
Greg: There are 2 of them sitting about a mile from me, for sale, but I doubt that she wants to buy an old ( 70's) truck just for this one job.

To use a stump grinder, I think that a person needs to have the stump cut down to near ground level, before using one.

That is the way that I have done it in the last 15 years anyway, cut the stump, rent a grinder, and operate it to grind down to about 2 feet deep, and wide around the stump, then need to haul away all the ground wood.

Return the grinder, and settle the difference from the deposit and actual usage time.

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Old 07-04-2018, 08:34 PM   #21
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I have a tree, now 12" diameter, that the previous owner stupidly planted less than 1 foot from top of a retaining wall. I need to get it out as it's already cracking the wall. I dug down 2 feet but it's hard to know if I got the major roots out. I'd like to pull it out with my truck as I've done several other trees that way, and it works very well if you leave about 6 feet of the stump uncut, so you get leverage in toppling the stump.

But, if I start to pull the stump this way we are worried it may increase pressure on the wall, even though obviously we are going to pull AWAY from the wall. So, I would like to remove at least some of the wood of the trunk where it grew up hard against the wall. Problem being, there is dirt and rocks entrapped everywhere in the root system, and I am sure I'll run into rocks if I try to cut or drill between the stump and wall.

Any ideas for what tools could be used? Would a diamond drill work in wood?
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Old 07-04-2018, 10:15 PM   #22
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No. There are not any self cleaning teeth, in the Diamond bit.


Get a regular Ax, and chop, chop, chop, until you find rock, then a spud bar, to lever the stones.

Yeah I know you don't want to put that much work into it, but sometimes that is what it takes.



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ED, thanks for the confirmation about the diamond drill bit in wood (no go). Also thanks for the idea about using a pulley system to multiply the pulling power.

Been chain-sawing, chopping, picking, digging for last two days, so maybe a couple more won't kill me (I'm 71, so who knows ). My favorite tool is a fireman's style axe that I chopped off the handle short so I can get in tight spaces. And a grinder to keep it sharp.

Wife says don't pull it with truck, but I know the limits of my F150 and the required prep for the pull, and it has worked really well for this, in the past. The key is to NOT cut short the trunk, when you are taking down the tree. I left a good 7 feet of it this time, and I pull it from the top giving lots of leverage to break the last remaining roots. I pull it slowly and if there is no motion at all, go back and chop more roots.

Still, if I damage the wall or the truck, there will be H to pay!
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:16 AM   #24
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Yes: I hate those " I told you so's"

That's when I switch off the Hearing aid, and just agree.


Good call using a fireman's ax, You can switch to the pick side if needed, and keeping it sharp is a very good idea.

With a low cost bumper mounted winch and enough snatch blocks, your F 150 is plenty big enough to act as an anchor point to pull this stump.


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Stump removal progress: When the lumberjack came out last Friday to take down two dead cedars and one live cedar that was leaning toward my house (also sitting where my retaining wall steps need to go), I had him cut down the stump as far as possible without his chain saw hitting the dirt. He also cut through some of the roots closer to the stump than where I had cut them with an ax. I've dug down a bit more since the photo was taken and exposed even more roots. My back was "twingey" on Monday am so I have stopped working on it for few days. Plus, it is very, very hot here. I may go try a little bit today...cutting the smaller roots with the reciprocating saw.
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Looks good CP, now what happens next as far as getting the stump gone ?

Going to try to pull it ?
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Looks good CP, now what happens next as far as getting the stump gone ?

Going to try to pull it ?

I'm going to dig down a bit more (I keep finding roots) and also keep removing dirt toward the center of the trunk. If you look closely at the photo, you can see where I removed a lot of dirt toward the center of the trunk --- I was looking for a tap root (which I haven't found yet). Then, I will try to loosen and move the stump with my San Angelo wrought iron bar. It should be easier now that the huge piece of trunk was cut off. I can't believe how heavy that piece is.
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I'm going to dig down a bit more (I keep finding roots) and also keep removing dirt toward the center of the trunk. If you look closely at the photo, you can see where I removed a lot of dirt toward the center of the trunk --- I was looking for a tap root (which I haven't found yet). Then, I will try to loosen and move the stump with my San Angelo wrought iron bar. It should be easier now that that huge piece of trunk was cut off. I can't believe how heavy that piece is.

Dang CP, I hope you do not end up on a chiropractors table or worse in a ER, fighting with that stump.
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Dang CP, I hope you do not end up on a chiropractors table or worse in a ER, fighting with that stump.

Yeah, me too.
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When levering on it utilize a fulcrum, it saves backs, and multiplies the force.

As well as a longer lever.

Looking good, Do you have access to an A-Frame, and a chain hoist.

Wrapping around the main body with cables, and using the chain hoist, is a good way to pull it also, after digging around it.


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