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Old 06-28-2019, 11:02 AM   #31
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I thought treated wood cheaper to replace every 2 years, to be a border
If you're sticking with gravel, for edging you can get thin strips that are plastic, steel, or recycled rubber and you can curve them easily. Or you can use bricks or pavers, there are even some specialty shaped units if you're into those too. You won't have to replace them every two years, just maybe re-level like you would anything above frost line.

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To reduce cost what if i fill the gravel after i shop for it after Mason slopes the dirt, nails the weed preventer?

Should i get from HD , LOWE'S or some other discount place for various gravel at best rate?
Buying the bags at the big box eliminate his markup, but more expensive per unit cost but probably easier being a townhome if you're up for the workout.
Not sure why you have a mason digging for you, you just need a laborer with non-mason rates. A landscaper should be able to do it all including the gravel and the dirt haul-off more cheaply.

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- Make sure your association allows whatever you do back there.
- The downspout under the deck next door is dumping water that will flow downhill to your retaining wall. Have them extend the pipe out.
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Guys, what's the best landscape sheet that's not porous or permeable? What brand?

Since what i use would be suitable for draining water from the slope I'm building with digging 6 inches and putting gravel on the sheets....

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The landscapers use a real heavy fabric that can take the punishment from rocks so put that fabric over 10 mill poly
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- Fix the water: You have to dig down, slope away, maybe add french drain. The dirt (with a little gravel on top) by the downspout is too high. The dirt at the hostas is too high. That will cause rot and bugs. It should have 6"-8" of exposed concrete foundation below the stucco. Whether you put back gravel, pavers, concrete or grass is your decision.

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I've decided to dig 6 inches or so in this area bordered by red line. The pink lines are for a French drain. Can i d.i.y
French drain in this shape so as the perforated loop catches all water and sends it to outside downhill away from house into a pebble drain system?

Will fill the area with river rock 1 inch and ensure there's a slope.

Also, i checked all the townhomes here and they all have dirt all the way to stucco!
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If it's stucco or EIFS over a wood-framed walkout, covered in dirt is a problem. If it's a cementious stucco over poured concrete or CMU walls that's a lesser evil, but I would still want it below the transition.

I imagine you're going to use black corrugated pipe for that winding drain. You probably won't have a lot of slope, so straight would be better, as is solid pipe. But backing up a bit if you use poly under the rock, have addressed a slope/downspouts, and dug down, you may not have as much water to drain now. But its a good idea if you're digging anyway.

P.S. I prefer a geotextile under rock rather than poly, because you can get washout or air pockets appear under poly making it strange to walk on with small size rocks.
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If it's stucco or EIFS over a wood-framed walkout, covered in dirt is a problem. If it's a cementious stucco over poured concrete or CMU walls that's a lesser evil, but I would still want it below the transition.

I imagine you're going to use black corrugated pipe for that winding drain. You probably won't have a lot of slope, so straight would be better, as is solid pipe. But backing up a bit if you use poly under the rock, have addressed a slope/downspouts, and dug down, you may not have as much water to drain now. But its a good idea if you're digging anyway.

P.S. I prefer a geotextile under rock rather than poly, because you can get washout or air pockets appear under poly making it strange to walk on with small size rocks.
Yes, it's cementious stucco over poured concrete.... i.e. no wood in inside basement. Only concrete wall.

I thought the same about a solid straight pipe.... in that case do i put it across ie perpendicular to water flow to downhill? Also it's gotta be a perforated straight PVC pipe like say 3 inch dia?

I'm thinking I'll put it across and like a "T" connect another PVC same dia all the way downhill with a slope....

I'll ensure perforation on top side as long as it's buried in gravel!

I also saw this in HD , are these better?
NDS 900BKIT 9-Inch Catch Basin Kit, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BODU0W..._dnujDbHH30NET


Lmk if this is a good idea... for a diy French drain...

Also should the down spout end in a pebble filled deep hole?

Yes im gonna dig 6 inch anyway, thought redundancy is better that's why French drain, grade and reroute gutters!
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Yes, it's cementious stucco over poured concrete.... i.e. no wood in inside basement. Only concrete wall.

I thought the same about a solid straight pipe.... in that case do i put it across ie perpendicular to water flow to downhill? Also it's gotta be a perforated straight PVC pipe like say 3 inch dia?

I'm thinking I'll put it across and like a "T" connect another PVC same dia all the way downhill with a slope....

I'll ensure perforation on top side as long as it's buried in gravel!

I also saw this in HD , are these better?
NDS 900BKIT 9-Inch Catch Basin Kit, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BODU0W..._dnujDbHH30NET


Lmk if this is a good idea... for a diy French drain...

Also should the down spout end in a pebble filled deep hole?

Yes im gonna dig 6 inch anyway, thought redundancy is better that's why French drain, grade and reroute gutters!
Thx
A perforated pipe is just a hole in the gravel so the water can run fast. You want the holes near the bottom so all the water can drain from the area.
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A perforated pipe is just a hole in the gravel so the water can run fast. You want the holes near the bottom so all the water can drain from the area.
So instead of worry about a perfect grade away from stucco, shall i do my best in grading and then still add a French drain at the lowest point in the gravel area?

Many designs for diy French drain what's the best and long lasting design? (I've been watching YouTube's )
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So instead of worry about a perfect grade away from stucco, shall i do my best in grading and then still add a French drain at the lowest point in the gravel area?

Many designs for diy French drain what's the best and long lasting design? (I've been watching YouTube's )
If you have no where to drain it to, run it to a lower trench with the perforated pipe so the water can drain into the soil just like a septic field

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The perforations on a pipe should face down, I keep mine at 4:30/7:30ish (on a clock face) to allow sediment to wash out. You can buy a sleeve sock separately. I believe you may only find 4" perforated thin-wall pipe, but that will connect with any other drainage items you install. The catch basin would be used for surface drainage, but it can be utilized as a cleanout point as well.

If you can't exit the pipe to daylight, then ending it in a gravel pit as mentioned can work, and/or using perforated pipe far away from the house to work in reverse - spilling out some of the water along the way to the end.

"Longest lasting" would entail solid pipe, good fabric/sleeving and gravel, some points for cleanouts, and no adjacent roots.
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I just realized there are 2 gutters from my roof.... can i somehow cut #2 and merge with #1 spout and combine it into a 4 inch hard pvc and run it underground with grading for like 20 feet? (#3)

Sorry i didn't realise it before since i thought the #1 was from my neighbors!

Best to run it from higher elevation than #2 is running now where i have the not graded right issue!

Pls advice.

(I'm still digging and grading the area under deck later on)

Thanks much
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Yes, combine #2 (which has little water from only a bumpout) into #1 and eliminate dumping next to the slider. I asked about the green corrugated pipe in post #26.

Also when you are done, you should save the longest section of pipe leftover from #1 and use it to extend the neighbors downspout which is under their deck. Or give them the green one, whichever is longest.
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Yes, combine #2 (which has little water from only a bumpout) into #1 and eliminate dumping next to the slider. I asked about the green corrugated pipe in post #26.

Also when you are done, you should save the longest section of pipe leftover from #1 and use it to extend the neighbors downspout which is under their deck. Or give them the green one, whichever is longest.
Went to HD, they only have elbows 45,90s.... and none that can connect 3 drains....

I'm looking for something like this...
How to connect 1&2 and make a 3 that'll be a combined down spout?
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If you are running a pipe from the down spout that section should be solid pipe so it doesn't deposit water where you are trying to gather it.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/NDS-4-in...4P08/100164403
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If you are running a pipe from the down spout that section should be solid pipe so it doesn't deposit water where you are trying to gather it.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/NDS-4-in...4P08/100164403
Oh i see... so all i need now is 2 x adapter.... for 4 inch solid PVC mouths to that 3 inch metallic drains... like this.

i got it.
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