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Old 06-15-2019, 11:19 AM   #31
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I think those juries were wrong.

BUT!

I'm gonna keep using glyphosate, which is the active ingredient.

And, I'm going to keep using it safely, like i have for more than 40 years.

1. Use it sparingly. DON'T do like farmers do and spray it on everything.

2. Don't use it near edible crops, like farmers also do (that's a lot of that GMO stuff). Just pull and yank.

It's strong medicine, to be used wisely.
Downside of class actions eh...

Ill second that though, glyphosate may be a potential carcinogen but you have to get exposed to substantial amounts... Wear a respirator when spraying (major exposure route is inhaling the mist) and long pants/shirt. You wont have any problems.

Oh and if you use the concentrate try not to spill on yourself :D
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Old 06-15-2019, 11:37 AM   #32
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Good thing most of you scientists think glyphosate is safe because it's in most of the cereals you eat, your urine & in the groundwater.

Many weeds are resistant to glyphosate.
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Old 06-15-2019, 12:38 PM   #33
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I use the HDX (HD brand) Glyphosate concentrate 41% vs 2% for Roundup w/ 0 ground transfer to neighboring plants. It is a gd value and a highly localized, effective product.
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Good thing most of you scientists think glyphosate is safe because it's in most of the cereals you eat, your urine & in the groundwater.

Many weeds are resistant to glyphosate.
Yes you can find glyphosate in food and ground water but you can also find 50 other chemicals in foods that are proven carcinogens.
The deal is that technology has developed the ability to detect these things in parts per billion.
It's all about the dosage. So no, I'm not worried about glyphosate.
And yes, you could think of me as a scientist. I have a degree in Biology and another in Chemical Engineering.
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Yes you can find glyphosate in food and ground water but you can also find 50 other chemicals in foods that are proven carcinogens.
The deal is that technology has developed the ability to detect these things in parts per billion.
It's all about the dosage. So no, I'm not worried about glyphosate.
And yes, you could think of me as a scientist. I have a degree in Biology and another in Chemical Engineering.
But not in Medicine, Medical Research, Oncology, Hematology, Toxicology, Environmental Sciences or Public Health. I have great respect for engineers but not in this subject.

Btw, I really disliked all Chem but 2nd qtr Organic Chem. & the labs. But, I plowed through.

The average water company doesn't test for much.

The OP asked for alternatives & almost everyone told him to use glyphosate?
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Good thing most of you scientists think glyphosate is safe because it's in most of the cereals you eat, your urine & in the groundwater.

Many weeds are resistant to glyphosate.
The scientists paid off by monsanto/bayer?

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The OP asked for alternatives & almost everyone told him to use glyphosate?
That's because there isn't anything out there that is effective but less toxic than glyphosate. That is why it gained such widespread usage.

Alternatives:
Possibly you could use vinegar or lye? Either will soak into the soil and kill roots but it will be hard to control. For vinegar you would have to buy a concentrated solution of at least 50%. Grocery store vinegar is only 5%. Not even sure where to get it. Also, concentrated vinegar (acetic acid) would be rough on your skin. Lye would be cheaper but you would have to mix your own solution. Also bad for your skin!
Before Roundup, people used a hoe, hedge clippers or just pulled weeds by hand.
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If every carcinogenic man made chemical was illegal, we wouldn't have most electronics, plastics, insecticides, chemo drugs (yes, the drugs can cause cancer themselves so it better be a life and death thing) etc.

You use the chemical when the benefits out-way the risks. I'll tolerate almost any chemical to get rid of bedbugs or roaches. (and like i said before, most insecticides have got to be way more toxic than roundup)

I would rather see restrictions on agricultural use more so than anything else due to the sheer volumes sprayed. Especially on grain crops just prior to harvest.

Using a little roundup occasionally probably isn't going to cause major health issues. For some things it may be the best tool for the job - I just don't think its worth it for cosmetic applications.

Lye is pretty nasty stuff - ever use oven cleaner and have the fumes burn your throat? That's from the lye, its extremely corrosive.

Vinegar doesn't kill the roots.

Best to just dig up the undesirable plants.
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I am more worried about what Glyphosphate is doing to the microorganism biome.
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I am more worried about what Glyphosphate is doing to the microorganism biome.
I just read about that. Thanks. Good thing I just made yogurt.
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I just read about that. Thanks. Good thing I just made yogurt.

Goes much deeper and smaller than that. This is about the entirety of how the food is grown and what is ultimately in it beyond what we know and can see.
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Gotta admit you're right there, Nik, "Guilty as charged", appears to be a lot of folks who believe in the efficacy and safety of Glyphosate and don't have a "second choice" so instead shared their opinion on w/ the OP assuming he was also in the market for feedback. I wasn't able to glean your suggestion for an alternative out of your post, though, only the critique on the other posters who tried to help.
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Looking to find a safer alternative to RoundUp. Can anyone suggest an herbicide product that only impacts the plants that you spray directly; something that kills to the root but does not impact the soil and surrounding plants? I need to keep an area clear that has some young evergreens; so I'm not necessarily looking for something that can be used to kill weeds within a lawn.

Thanks!!
It's called a hoe.
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Old 06-19-2019, 12:18 PM   #44
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22 years ago I owned a business and would use a typical garden sprayer and sprayed a few hundred gallons. Each year for about 7 years.
Would even get the taste in my mouth at times on a windy day.

Since then using about 20 gallons a year on my own property.

Still no health problems that I know of. So I myself will not worry at all.

If you are concerned. Use one of the herbicide weed wick applicator. Or your garden sprayer with a upside down funnel on the end.
Both of these will just apply chemical in a small area with no chance of wind drift.
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The scientists paid off by monsanto/bayer?

Assuming this is true, it still won't prove causation, i.e., that glyphosate caused the cancers, or that it's at the root of an "epidemic" of same.
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