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Old 06-13-2019, 09:11 AM   #16
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Roundup is one of those things that proves humans are really bad at math and statistics.
Almost any chemical can do bad stuff to you if you get it on you and inhale it 100+ times per year.
A typical home user sprays 3-4 times a year from a handheld pump sprayer. Exposure is 10,000 times less than what a commercial user gets. That's close enough to zero for me not to worry about using it around my yard.
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Shoulda been more clear. He IS 80ish, but was on the roof.


In contrast, the lawyer dik that built on an adjacent property drove over one day requesting I provide MSDS for the herbicides I used. Wanted to make sure I was mixing correctly. And if I didn't he would call EPA. I told him to GFH and called Ala Board said this guy is harassing me. The woman I spoke with said he was such a a PIA in his previous neighborhood they had annual street parties on the date he moved.


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Roundup is one of those things that proves humans are really bad at math and statistics.
Almost any chemical can do bad stuff to you if you get it on you and inhale it 100+ times per year.
A typical home user sprays 3-4 times a year from a handheld pump sprayer. Exposure is 10,000 times less than what a commercial user gets. That's close enough to zero for me not to worry about using it around my yard.

These are the types of people that don't follow the directions on the label and then post a 1 star review saying the product doesn't work.
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I echo the sentiments about Roundup being safe.

That being said, if you're looking to kill broadleaf weeds, good ol' 2,4-D works well. Dicamba, too.

Not that they are any safer, just no big, deep-pocketed company behind them to make the news.
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I remember I did a thread about carcinogens being everywhere.

So, assuming that glyphosate is carcinogenic, I'll keep using as ever. With care. Same as so many other things.
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The studies proving safety of pesticides aren't reliable - most are funded by the manufacturer.

This being said, roundup is probably one of the least toxic chemicals used in gardening and agriculture.

Insecticides are probably a lot worse - most are neurotoxins by design and basically paralyze the insect.
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[QUOTE=NickTheGreat;5855621]I echo the sentiments about Roundup being safe.

That being said, if you're looking to kill broadleaf weeds, good ol' 2,4-D works well. Dicamba, too.

Well in cotton country 2-4/ dicamba drift can diminish cotton crops several miles away.
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Yep, my wife was very unhappy with me once for spraying 2-4-D near her rose bushes. Even though I kept the spray several feet away on a day with little wind, the roses were stunned quite a bit. Didn't kill them but it took a month to recover.
I later found out that 2-4-D is quite volatile. It's not spray drift but actually the "fumes" of the stuff evaporating that can affect plants far away.
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I use 2,4 D on my lawn and every time I open the bottle and pour it into my sprayer, the look and smell of it remind me of the Liquid Death potion in the sixth Harry Potter book/movie.
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Thanks for all of the feedback. I'll use RoundUp as it will do the job best. But I'll follow the instructions and gown-up appropriately.
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To make Roundup more effective; water the area or plant well and then apply the product.
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@mike1027, what @rjordan393 said, except I'd go a bit further; if you have the time, water heavy and fertilize then wait a couple three weeks. Pump those expletive weeds up, them strike, like Thunderball!

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Yep, my wife was very unhappy with me once for spraying 2-4-D near her rose bushes. Even though I kept the spray several feet away on a day with little wind, the roses were stunned quite a bit. Didn't kill them but it took a month to recover.
I later found out that 2-4-D is quite volatile. It's not spray drift but actually the "fumes" of the stuff evaporating that can affect plants far away.

I live in a somewhat forested area so I usually am spraying away from any gardens or other areas that I've brought plants in. Scotch Broom is a real problem over here and Crossbow wipes it out, especially when painted on the stump. That stuff gives new meaning to the term invasive species.


Always use a surfactant so more of the product stays on the leaves.
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I live in a somewhat forested area so I usually am spraying away from any gardens or other areas that I've brought plants in. Scotch Broom is a real problem over here and Crossbow wipes it out, especially when painted on the stump. That stuff gives new meaning to the term invasive species.


Always use a surfactant so more of the product stays on the leaves.
You might be freaked out to learn that broom is sold as an ornamental in some places!

Where are you located, just out of curiosity?
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You might be freaked out to learn that broom is sold as an ornamental in some places!

Where are you located, just out of curiosity?

NW corner of Washington State.
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