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Old 02-20-2018, 07:56 PM   #1
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I just found this site so figured I'd bring my questions here. I just bought a new house and my wife wants a wall removed, so we removed the Sheetrock and called for a contractor to give some advice. After he looked at it he confirmed that we could remove the wall. After removing the wall the floor feels a little bouncy if you jump up and down on it (2nd floor). Now to explain the wall. There were 2 8' wall sections one coming off each side of room then about a 4' or 5' foot opening between them. The wall in question had no header over the opening just 2x4s, and the wall was not attached to the floor system over head. You could grab the wall and shake it back and forth no problem (meaning in my eyes that it wasn't resting on the wall anyways). Would like to get some advice on what everyone else thinks about it or if someone knows of a structural engineer near high point nc that they would recommend. The span is 32' front to back and the first floor ceiling and roof system are all one truss system the bottom chord is 2x10.
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Old 02-20-2018, 08:02 PM   #2
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What is the distance between the walls now and are they 2x10s or 12s
Can you tell why some are going the other way.
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:10 AM   #3
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Would your wife be ok with a header going across that area? Obviously it would need to be supported on each end but most of the wall would be gone.
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:40 AM   #4
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Something going above that wall removed also, that required those doubled up joists to be blocked perpendicular to the other floor joists ? A roof line change maybe where the bearing wall above got extra load put on it. ?

Mark nailed it. But I bet my next meal that she will not want a header dropped down and I don't miss a meal. JMO.
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What is the distance between the walls now and are they 2x10s or 12s
Can you tell why some are going the other way.
Distance from front and back wall is now 32ft. All the trusses go the same way the boards going side to side are where there are dormers in the roof line so the trusses are doubled then they have boards going side to side between them. They are 2x10

Wife and I would definitely rather not have a header but if thats what it comes to then it will have to be there.

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Old 02-21-2018, 06:02 AM   #6
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The floor above seems to have been added. Note in the background you have 24" trusses. Is there a stepdown to this area above? If the trusses were modified to allow this flooring, then the wall was added to account for the now missing truss support. There's more to this flooring configuration than we know about.
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Something going above that wall removed also, that required those doubled up joists to be blocked perpendicular to the other floor joists ? A roof line change maybe where the bearing wall above got extra load put on it. ?

Mark nailed it. But I bet my next meal that she will not want a header dropped down and I don't miss a meal. JMO.
Nothing was moved above or changed. Those doubles are blocked due to there being dormers above that perpendicular blocking.
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Distance from front and back wall is now 32ft. All the trusses go the same way the boards going side to side are where there are dormers in the roof line so the trusses are doubled then they have boards going side to side between them. They are 2x10

Wife and I would definitely rather not have a header but if thats what it comes to then it will have to be there.
Now I see, they are bonus room trusses and we are looking at the bottom cord.

Usually they are made to span the distance but I have never seen them made that long. I would think you would measure from wall to wall upstairs to get the floor span. single 2x10s at 16 ft are bouncy. Looks like you have more than that.
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The floor above seems to have been added. Note in the background you have 24" trusses. Is there a stepdown to this area above? If the trusses were modified to allow this flooring, then the wall was added to account for the now missing truss support. There's more to this flooring configuration than we know about.
The floor above wasn't added the truss system was made to have livable space. There are no 24" trusses maybe the picture just isn't real clear. There are no step up or downs.
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2 more pics after wall was removed. You can see on the Sheetrock wall where it used to be. Sorry about weird angle that is looking up at the ceiling
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Can get more pics of specific areas if needed
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Old 02-21-2018, 10:26 AM   #12
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Can get more pics of specific areas if needed
I would measure up the trusses and find a truss company to talk to for suggestions.
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I would measure up the trusses and find a truss company to talk to for suggestions.
Thanks for the advice. My trusses kind of look like those except my bottom chord stays same all the way across and the truss doesn't cut into my ceiling height. The room above its floor span is around 14 to 15 feet
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Thanks for the advice. My trusses kind of look like those except my bottom chord stays same all the way across and the truss doesn't cut into my ceiling height. The room above its floor span is around 14 to 15 feet
15 ft is close to max with 2x10.

If the flexing is just in the 15 ft you might sister them with 2 x 12s.

An engineer explained another fix one time that I have never seen done.
He suggested a flat 2x4 with one screw holding it in the center, then pressure up that center 1/4 to 1/2 inch and finish screwing it there.
He said that would create more crown and act like a upside down T beam.

If the flexing can be found in the trusses at the ends perhaps sheeting the triangle at the end of some of the trusses would stop that movement.
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To stiffen up the floor would you guys suggest a 2x4 c channel steel or 9 1/4 lvl? Would like to find a way to stiffen it without losing ceiling height if possible.
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